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Steelworks End wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:49 pm
Jim wrote:
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I guess someone must have done a 'social history' study of where the original inhabitants of Barrow came from. I believe it was just a tiny village until industrialisation in the mid 1800s.

This rapid expansion led to a large influx of workers, predominantly from rural or mining backgrounds. In my case, my ancestors hailed from Dalton (parish) and Aldingham, from Cleator Moor, and further afield from Ireland and Scotland. Although I consider myself to be Barrovian born and bred (as were my parents) there was no such thing as a Barrovian 180 years ago.
I know a lad whose great (x?) grandad walked from Cornwall, where he was a tin miner, up to Barrow.

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Lancaster Branch wrote:
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Steelworks End wrote:
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This rapid expansion led to a large influx of workers, predominantly from rural or mining backgrounds. In my case, my ancestors hailed from Dalton (parish) and Aldingham, from Cleator Moor, and further afield from Ireland and Scotland. Although I consider myself to be Barrovian born and bred (as were my parents) there was no such thing as a Barrovian 180 years ago.
I know a lad whose great (x?) grandad walked from Cornwall, where he was a tin miner, up to Barrow.
My great great grandad Joseph Buckingham moved here from Bedfordshire, Luton I think, during the boom and opened a hat shop on Dalton Road. Now his surname adorns a step at the steelworks end 👍🏻
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My maternal grandparents came from Belfast as my grandfather moved from working at Harland and Wolff shipyard to Vickers Armstrong. I don't know if that was because jobs were being lost at Harland and Wolff or whether he could earn more at Vickers. My paternal grandfather worked for the Admiralty at Portsmouth, then Newcastle and finally Barrow.

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According to mother my family originates from Cornwall, Isle of Man, Shetland Islands, Bucks, Beds, Ireland, North Lancs, Westmoreland and East Yorks, amongst other places. We are very much a mix in this town.

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John_Bucks wrote:
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Lancaster Branch wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:10 pm


I know a lad whose great (x?) grandad walked from Cornwall, where he was a tin miner, up to Barrow.
My great great grandad Joseph Buckingham moved here from Bedfordshire, Luton I think, during the boom and opened a hat shop on Dalton Road. Now his surname adorns a step at the steelworks end 👍🏻
Indeed it does. When Ryan and me were the only maintenance volunvolunteers at that time and doing the best we could he made sure the Buckingham Place sign was painted for the start of the season. 😊
Two painting jobs he was given---the sign and my rattle. 😂

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Holkerbird wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:48 pm
John_Bucks wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:17 pm


My great great grandad Joseph Buckingham moved here from Bedfordshire, Luton I think, during the boom and opened a hat shop on Dalton Road. Now his surname adorns a step at the steelworks end 👍🏻
Indeed it does. When Ryan and me were the only maintenance volunvolunteers at that time and doing the best we could he made sure the Buckingham Place sign was painted for the start of the season. 😊
Two painting jobs he was given---the sign and my rattle. 😂
Pride of place and my dear old Dad wouldn't stand anywhere else. You'll have heard him :lol: It's maintenance has been much appreciated over the years.

Not so long ago we had three generations standing on it.

A few years ago some Alty fans were stood there so I gently approached them;

'Look down... Is that your name?'
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It wasn't shipbuilding or any other form of heavy engineering that was responsible for my great grandfather on my Dad's side moving here from the south coast, but Barrow AFC itself. He was a professional player for among others, West Brom, Man United and Plymouth Argyle, and after his playing career ended, became Barrow's trainer just before the First World War, a position he held until 1938.

My mother's side of the family originate from further up the coast in Cumberland. Lots of trips to Cleator Moor, Whitehaven and Carlisle to visit various great aunts and uncles when I was a kid.
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Arvo wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:22 pm
My mother's side of the family originate from further up the coast in Cumberland. Lots of trips to Cleator Moor, Whitehaven and Carlisle to visit various great aunts and uncles when I was a kid.
With my paternal grandfather hailing from Cleator Moor, John, I wonder if he knew your mother's family? Something that perhaps we'll never know. (I also have ancestral links to Carlisle but not, as far as I know, to Whitehaven).

We are wandering a tad off topic, aren't we! ;)

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Steelworks End wrote:
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With my paternal grandfather hailing from Cleator Moor, John, I wonder if he knew your mother's family? Something that perhaps we'll never know. (I also have ancestral links to Carlisle but not, as far as I know, to Whitehaven).

We are wandering a tad off topic, aren't we! ;)
Chances are they probably did. Cleator Moor is only tiny after all (2011 census population of 6,936 according to Wikipedia). Also had relatives in Cleator. Now that was the very definition of bleak ("one house deep, eleven miles long, took four years to burn down when the chippie exploded" Mike Harding).

Yeah, way off the original subject now, but personally, I've never had a problem with off-topicality on threads on message boards. Just like real life conversations, let them take you where they take you. If it's a direction you don't like then you can check out any time you want, to quote the Eagles.
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Steelworks End wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:42 pm
We are wandering a tad off topic, aren't we! ;)
I think this happens on all forums!

Apropos shipbuilding there are some terrific songs of narrative.

Big River. Jimmy Nail reminisces, citing the 'coaly Tyne' but has a futuristic vibe in "together we'll rise again".

Shipyards. On the other side of town, the Wear, lovely ballad by Lake Poets.

Shipbuilding. I prefer Declan's cover but the Wyatt original is still sublime.

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Shot By Both Sides wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:23 am
Steelworks End wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:42 pm
We are wandering a tad off topic, aren't we! ;)
I think this happens on all forums!

Apropos shipbuilding there are some terrific songs of narrative.

Big River. Jimmy Nail reminisces, citing the 'coaly Tyne' but has a futuristic vibe in "together we'll rise again".

Shipyards. On the other side of town, the Wear, lovely ballad by Lake Poets.

Shipbuilding. I prefer Declan's cover but the Wyatt original is still sublime.
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Not music this time but poetry. Aldershot is referenced in the Betjeman poem "A Subaltern's Love Song. Does anyone know whether there are literary works that mention Barrow or nearby hamlets? I guess there must be a few.
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Off the top of my head and depending upon your interpretation of literary works:
The Plague Dogs - Richard Adams (I think the rather wonderful Manor Arms in Broughton-in-Furness gets a mention in this too)
Career of Evil - Robert Galbraith

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You can only access Sodor, home of Thomas the Tank Engine, by crossing the Jubilee bridge in Barrow.
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