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Re: New ground / renevation costs
Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:24 am
by blue nige
It isn't that it's just we all end up getting frustrated and getting nowhere it's not that I don't care!
The positive is Tony Callister is now Mayor he cares about football /Barrow f.c. but it's all down to Paul Casson so unless he comes up with any detailed plan ( which he initially did) it's dead in the water !
Re: New ground / renevation costs
Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:46 am
by Wintergreen
To be fair (and this has been said oft before) there was a stadium shown on the original dockland redevelopment scheme which had the plug pulled. The scheme has been re-started again (new access opening being built on Salthouse Rd) but looks like it will be a piecemeal affair being done in small work packages.
However, maybe one day they will build that stadium there and it will be up to the professional clubs in the town to make the decisions, keeping in mind the FBSS might be like Camp Nou by then.
Re: New ground / renevation costs
Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:27 pm
by Shaun
With the rise in attendance prices these days, where it usually costs too much to attend even the lower leagues' games, is it even feasible that we could survive in League Two, were we to even get there.
I don't mean to be doom and gloom but I wouldn't mind betting that once the original promotion euphoria died down (assuming we achieved promotion) we'd probably be looking at an average home gate of anywhere between 1800 and 2500.
Could we survive off that?
Re: New ground / renevation costs
Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 1:24 pm
by The Tomahawk Kid
blue nige wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:08 am
Why are we debating this again ?!
Exactly! Because it isn't going to happen!
Re: New ground / renevation costs
Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 2:32 pm
by HenneysKnee
Shaun wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:27 pm
With the rise in attendance prices these days, where it usually costs too much to attend even the lower leagues' games, is it even feasible that we could survive in League Two, were we to even get there.
I don't mean to be doom and gloom but I wouldn't mind betting that once the original promotion euphoria died down (assuming we achieved promotion) we'd probably be looking at an average home gate of anywhere between 1800 and 2500.
Could we survive off that?
Morecambe and Accrington do
Re: New ground / renevation costs
Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 2:35 pm
by The Tomahawk Kid
Who?
Thought they were still Non-League.
Apologies, just my own mind-set. I still have memories of OUR Reserve side playing Morecambe's first team in the Lancashire Combination. I've NEVER been able to get my head around Morecambe being EFL
Re: New ground / renevation costs
Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:14 pm
by Lancaster Branch
HenneysKnee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2017 2:32 pm
Shaun wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:27 pm
With the rise in attendance prices these days, where it usually costs too much to attend even the lower leagues' games, is it even feasible that we could survive in League Two, were we to even get there.
I don't mean to be doom and gloom but I wouldn't mind betting that once the original promotion euphoria died down (assuming we achieved promotion) we'd probably be looking at an average home gate of anywhere between 1800 and 2500.
Could we survive off that?
Morecambe and Accrington do
Morecambe by the skins of their teeth though - lost another 500k the season before last. And last season saw the ownership debacle.
Re: New ground / renevation costs
Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:17 pm
by Andy
The Tomahawk Kid wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2017 1:24 pm
blue nige wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:08 am
Why are we debating this again ?!
Exactly! Because it isn't going to happen!
Because at some point soon one or the other needs to happen. We can't carry on with the ground like it is. If it needs to happen soon it needs to be being planned now. Not that it is up to us but a debate as to the pros and cons of either can't hurt.
Re: New ground / renevation costs
Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:39 pm
by The Tomahawk Kid
Yeah; but the topic has been pulled out again and again.
It NEEDS to happen - I agree. But WILL it happen?
Don't hold your breath...
Re: New ground / renevation costs
Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:34 pm
by spirit of 1990
I don't think we'd need anywhere near the amounts mentioned in the OP....even the lower one.
If it were my money
I think the first thing I would do is redevelop the Cross Bar end of the ground, that's the potential "Jewel in the crown" hotel/changing rooms/shop/corporate/offices (club use & rental)/bar and function room(s). The potential for the function room alone (if done correctly) is massive, I know this through simply being involved in the last three EOSD's, try booking somewhere decent nine months in advance....its crazy. Make a decent job of the car park behind the pop side and create a path connecting that to the hotel/function rooms for match day and hotel use.
Get shot of the old porta loo's and replace with decent toilet facilities.
The other areas of the ground can be brought up to scratch as & when needed (main stand extension) HSE demolished and re-built with a basic roof. There must be an argument for fitting in a bar, food outlets & toilet area at the HSE area of the ground as well.
All potential money earners, add to them a few tidying up jobs and we're well on the way to having a ground that we could be proud of for a fraction of the cost.
Easy when it's not our money though....
Re: New ground / renevation costs
Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:00 pm
by bamber678
spirit of 1990 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:34 pm
HSE demolished and re-built with a basic roof
I thought we couldn't build anything on the HSE because of the foundations? Surely it will cost a fortune to knock it down and re-do the foundations?
Re: New ground / renevation costs
Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:06 pm
by geobarrovian
spirit of 1990 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:34 pm
I don't think we'd need anywhere near the amounts mentioned in the OP....even the lower one.
If it were my money
I think the first thing I would do is redevelop the Cross Bar end of the ground, that's the potential "Jewel in the crown" hotel/changing rooms/shop/corporate/offices (club use & rental)/bar and function room(s). The potential for the function room alone (if done correctly) is massive, I know this through simply being involved in the last three EOSD's, try booking somewhere decent nine months in advance....its crazy. Make a decent job of the car park behind the pop side and create a path connecting that to the hotel/function rooms for match day and hotel use.
Get shot of the old porta loo's and replace with decent toilet facilities.
The other areas of the ground can be brought up to scratch as & when needed (main stand extension) HSE demolished and re-built with a basic roof. There must be an argument for fitting in a bar, food outlets & toilet area at the HSE area of the ground as well.
All potential money earners, add to them a few tidying up jobs and we're well on the way to having a ground that we could be proud of for a fraction of the cost.
Easy when it's not our money though....
A good hotel, conference facilities and function rooms would be a big asset to the town as a whole and would surely make the club more sustainable in the long term.
Re: New ground / renevation costs
Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:46 am
by Richard Ingham
Jo am back wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:57 am
Fazered wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2017 7:35 am
Fylde ground cost 18 million so far
How was that financed ? Thats a lot of cash for there owner to have stumped up surely.
And is that just for the football ground, or the entire development?
Re: New ground / renevation costs
Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:11 am
by Fazered
Richard Ingham wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:46 am
Jo am back wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:57 am
How was that financed ? Thats a lot of cash for there owner to have stumped up surely.
And is that just for the football ground, or the entire development?
What was quoted by the commentator on BT sport
Re: New ground / renevation costs
Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:36 pm
by Soulboy
The cost would be substantial. Yes the new stadium would attract more fans and commercially be viable with facilities firms and public could buy into. Abbey house watch out.
This locality cries out for a decent football league club. Marketing needs vast improvement and further afield.
At least the flood lights have arrived!