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AFC Blue wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:36 am Can someone (trust) please explain why U16's which are currently serving a Club ban are allowed to travel on the official Coaches to away games?

How do we allow this to happen?

beachy01 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:26 am

AFC Blue wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:36 am Can someone (trust) please explain why U16's which are currently serving a Club ban are allowed to travel on the official Coaches to away games?

How do we allow this to happen?

Can u explain to me why some parts of our support (including you) by the looks of it, are so hellbent on trying to stop or make it as hard as possible for a certain age group of supporters to go to or attend any games?

i hope all the u15s boycott a certain game and take their parents with them, then the idiot/idiots running the club realise the mistake they've made

but as ive said before, regards some staff at the club, pay peanuts get monkeys

Jon D wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:43 am Clubs bans are not the same as football banning orders.

Cromwell58 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:50 pm Been to quite a few away games this year and have not seen them do anything wrong only problem is they cannot keep still and have weak bladders, we were a lot worse.

AFC Blue wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 12:28 pm

Jon D wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:43 am Clubs bans are not the same as football banning orders.

Thanks Jon, you know what I mean
Feel a massive told you so on the horizon.
That's me done on this now, Glad it's in hand
Don't moan when something else happens and it gets a whole lot worse

barrowaberdeen wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:11 pm They are completely, utterly different in law.
We aren't even allowed to know- and that's from the Police.
It has been discussed
Onward to Gillingham, on the bus.

M6 BLUE wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 5:40 pm

barrowaberdeen wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:11 pm They are completely, utterly different in law.
We aren't even allowed to know- and that's from the Police.
It has been discussed
Onward to Gillingham, on the bus.

That's definitely not true for adults i.ve seen banning order printouts obtained under freedom of information order requests and i would hope the same would be available for juveniles just with any information that could identify the individual like name and address redacted.

At the start of Banning Orders, some Clubs used to apply for the FIO lists in order to stop banned people from a certain club from traveling to its away game at their ground by getting the list and sending them a letter saying they weren't welcome at the away fixture either. Some clubs used to overegg it and claim what they were doing was backed by criminal law which it wasn't it was just that a club can refuse entry to whoever it wants to under its ground regulations. Most people subject to Banning Orders who do still attend games tend to carry fake/stolen ID as in 90% of challenges away from their Clubs home ground its enough to convince plod they have the wrong man.

AFC Blue wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:00 am

beachy01 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:26 am

Can u explain to me why some parts of our support (including you) by the looks of it, are so hellbent on trying to stop or make it as hard as possible for a certain age group of supporters to go to or attend any games?

i hope all the u15s boycott a certain game and take their parents with them, then the idiot/idiots running the club realise the mistake they've made

but as ive said before, regards some staff at the club, pay peanuts get monkeys

Okay I will remove the U16 bit
Can I ask the trust a straight forward question then?
If the trust know a certain individual is on a football banning order Do they allow them to book on a away trip bus?

Adam29 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:10 pm

M6 BLUE wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 5:40 pm

That's definitely not true for adults i.ve seen banning order printouts obtained under freedom of information order requests and i would hope the same would be available for juveniles just with any information that could identify the individual like name and address redacted.

At the start of Banning Orders, some Clubs used to apply for the FIO lists in order to stop banned people from a certain club from traveling to its away game at their ground by getting the list and sending them a letter saying they weren't welcome at the away fixture either. Some clubs used to overegg it and claim what they were doing was backed by criminal law which it wasn't it was just that a club can refuse entry to whoever it wants to under its ground regulations. Most people subject to Banning Orders who do still attend games tend to carry fake/stolen ID as in 90% of challenges away from their Clubs home ground its enough to convince plod they have the wrong man.

It is true when the ban in question is to an U16 therefore not an official ban but one which has come from the club

M6 BLUE wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 5:42 pm

Adam29 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:10 pm

It is true when the ban in question is to an U16 therefore not an official ban but one which has come from the club

Think people need to talk about 2 completely different things 1] A banning order issued by a Magistrates/Crown court after a person is convicted of a "football-related " offence and 2] A club ban issued by the club basically under its ground regulations which means they can decide who they let in and who they don't has no law criminal or civil behind it [ i suppose if someone was found to be regularly flouting it they could issue civil proceedings for trespass but they could end up with a large legal bill if it all went wrong. ] Nothing to stop anyone banned under this category traveling to away games which they are free to do or for a travel operator like The Trust carrying them if they so choose.

The official banning orders are still a nightmare to police as sometimes away games/international matches are included sometimes theyre not. But i know of people with banning orders [ including away games sometimes ] who at away games simply buy a ticket in the home/neutral area and have snide ID with them just in case they were ever challenged.