Re: Your Feelings
Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:11 pm
I think you're all over reacting
Most of your points Moonwatcher are spot-on but the Dunne one is baffling me. Who doesn't want to see good young players here? Look at Glenn Murray now, I remember himMoonwatcher wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:33 pm Everything at the club seems somewhat half-hearted to me. The owners seem half-hearted. Many supporters, including myself, have become half-hearted, and it's obviously filtered through to the players. Even this forum seems to have lost the heart for passionate debate. The atmosphere on the terraces is as quiet as I can remember at any time in the four decades I've been supporting the club. This season has been a complete and utter shambles, an embarrassing catalogue of incompetence by the people running the place. If this team somehow manages to survive relegation this season it will probably be due to good fortune and the perilous state of fellow relegation strugglers, because I just cannot see where the required spirit and resilience is going to come from. Having to (half-heartedly) partially rebuild a football team in January/February when you're one point above the drop zone is a recipe for relegation. Everywhere you look there have been poor decisions. The outgoings and incomings of last summer are well documented, but I would even question the loan signing of Jimmy Dunne. Yes, he was a superb player in his short time here, but to fill such a key position with a loan signing who you KNOW is likely to be going back to his parent club in January when the season is entering its crucial phase is just foolhardy - whoever's decision it was. Now, we are struggling to replace our best player and re-jig the defence when we're in a relegation battle. If we'd been knocking on the door of the play-offs the same argument would apply. There is an unsettled feel about the entire set-up, the players, the management, the ownership.
I do acknowledge that without the intervention of the current owner, the club would probably be on the brink of oblivion by now, but I for one feel a little foolish at being swept along by the fanfare of three years ago. To achieve the goals that were set at the start of the Casson era it was always going to take more than just cash. Energy, vision, belief and a keen (football) business acumen from the person/people at the helm have propelled AFC F*ld*, Fleetwood, and Salford on their journeys, and it's clear to me now that all those things are lacking at Barrow.
One could argue that we, the Furness public, haven't got behind the Casson "dream" in sufficient numbers, and kept "our side of the bargain" but I would counter-argue that if you're looking to engage and excite the public to get on board, you won't do it with undelivered promises, shambolic decision-making and half-hearted leadership.
I enjoyed watching Jimmy Dunne - he was our best player by a country mile before he left, and you're right - we've seen some great loan players over the years, but a settled defence is vitally important, and your central defender is one of the most pivotal roles on the pitch. It's one thing to get loan players in out of necessity in mid-season to fill gaps in the squad through injuries, and another to build season-long loanees into your plans, but when rebuilding in the summer for the season ahead, it seems like poor planning to me to put someone in the middle of the defence who you KNOW you're going to have to replace for the second half of the season, just when you need stability. Surely we could have attracted a quality central defender (and a leader whilst we were at it) on contract?mulholland wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:05 pmMost of your points Moonwatcher are spot-on but the Dunne one is baffling me. Who doesn't want to see good young players here? Look at Glenn Murray now, I remember himMoonwatcher wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:33 pm Everything at the club seems somewhat half-hearted to me. The owners seem half-hearted. Many supporters, including myself, have become half-hearted, and it's obviously filtered through to the players. Even this forum seems to have lost the heart for passionate debate. The atmosphere on the terraces is as quiet as I can remember at any time in the four decades I've been supporting the club. This season has been a complete and utter shambles, an embarrassing catalogue of incompetence by the people running the place. If this team somehow manages to survive relegation this season it will probably be due to good fortune and the perilous state of fellow relegation strugglers, because I just cannot see where the required spirit and resilience is going to come from. Having to (half-heartedly) partially rebuild a football team in January/February when you're one point above the drop zone is a recipe for relegation. Everywhere you look there have been poor decisions. The outgoings and incomings of last summer are well documented, but I would even question the loan signing of Jimmy Dunne. Yes, he was a superb player in his short time here, but to fill such a key position with a loan signing who you KNOW is likely to be going back to his parent club in January when the season is entering its crucial phase is just foolhardy - whoever's decision it was. Now, we are struggling to replace our best player and re-jig the defence when we're in a relegation battle. If we'd been knocking on the door of the play-offs the same argument would apply. There is an unsettled feel about the entire set-up, the players, the management, the ownership.
I do acknowledge that without the intervention of the current owner, the club would probably be on the brink of oblivion by now, but I for one feel a little foolish at being swept along by the fanfare of three years ago. To achieve the goals that were set at the start of the Casson era it was always going to take more than just cash. Energy, vision, belief and a keen (football) business acumen from the person/people at the helm have propelled AFC F*ld*, Fleetwood, and Salford on their journeys, and it's clear to me now that all those things are lacking at Barrow.
One could argue that we, the Furness public, haven't got behind the Casson "dream" in sufficient numbers, and kept "our side of the bargain" but I would counter-argue that if you're looking to engage and excite the public to get on board, you won't do it with undelivered promises, shambolic decision-making and half-hearted leadership.
scoring a hat-trick here as a young loanee and think it's a great starting point in professional football. Basically it's what we pay our admission money for isn't it?
That would be all well and good if Glenn Murray was a loanee, he was on non contract terms after a spell in America and then Carlisle offered him a contract on the back of him scoring 6 goals in 6 gamesmulholland wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:05 pmMost of your points Moonwatcher are spot-on but the Dunne one is baffling me. Who doesn't want to see good young players here? Look at Glenn Murray now, I remember himMoonwatcher wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:33 pm Everything at the club seems somewhat half-hearted to me. The owners seem half-hearted. Many supporters, including myself, have become half-hearted, and it's obviously filtered through to the players. Even this forum seems to have lost the heart for passionate debate. The atmosphere on the terraces is as quiet as I can remember at any time in the four decades I've been supporting the club. This season has been a complete and utter shambles, an embarrassing catalogue of incompetence by the people running the place. If this team somehow manages to survive relegation this season it will probably be due to good fortune and the perilous state of fellow relegation strugglers, because I just cannot see where the required spirit and resilience is going to come from. Having to (half-heartedly) partially rebuild a football team in January/February when you're one point above the drop zone is a recipe for relegation. Everywhere you look there have been poor decisions. The outgoings and incomings of last summer are well documented, but I would even question the loan signing of Jimmy Dunne. Yes, he was a superb player in his short time here, but to fill such a key position with a loan signing who you KNOW is likely to be going back to his parent club in January when the season is entering its crucial phase is just foolhardy - whoever's decision it was. Now, we are struggling to replace our best player and re-jig the defence when we're in a relegation battle. If we'd been knocking on the door of the play-offs the same argument would apply. There is an unsettled feel about the entire set-up, the players, the management, the ownership.
I do acknowledge that without the intervention of the current owner, the club would probably be on the brink of oblivion by now, but I for one feel a little foolish at being swept along by the fanfare of three years ago. To achieve the goals that were set at the start of the Casson era it was always going to take more than just cash. Energy, vision, belief and a keen (football) business acumen from the person/people at the helm have propelled AFC F*ld*, Fleetwood, and Salford on their journeys, and it's clear to me now that all those things are lacking at Barrow.
One could argue that we, the Furness public, haven't got behind the Casson "dream" in sufficient numbers, and kept "our side of the bargain" but I would counter-argue that if you're looking to engage and excite the public to get on board, you won't do it with undelivered promises, shambolic decision-making and half-hearted leadership.
scoring a hat-trick here as a young loanee and think it's a great starting point in professional football. Basically it's what we pay our admission money for isn't it?
Everything has been half arsed for at least the last 30 years.AugustusCorpa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:59 pm Agree Moonwatcher. Well put.Everything’s half arsed. We’re miles away from what Fleetwood did and what Fylde are now doing.
What happened to all that money?michaelstreet75 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:08 am
As soon as the season started when we had sold our best players and replaced them with a mixture of loanees and rejects from other clubs at our level that confirmed my belief casson was not remotely looking to go up this year.
Probably counted in the wage budget instead of coming fron Cassons pocket he used that money instead.Rigger wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:12 amWhat happened to all that money?michaelstreet75 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:08 am
As soon as the season started when we had sold our best players and replaced them with a mixture of loanees and rejects from other clubs at our level that confirmed my belief casson was not remotely looking to go up this year.
Wasn't someone from the club quoted as saying something along the lines of "Every squad at the end of the season you should have 6 sellable players and we should sell three to buy four".barrowfan_chris wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:47 amProbably counted in the wage budget instead of coming fron Cassons pocket he used that money instead.
Part of the problem having those players to sell the Cassons believed that they could do it every season hence us looking for young cheap options instead of Pearson, storer ect..