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ttnmus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:38 pm Can't fault the bloke could quite easily of put it down as a loan.he tried to push the club on obviously it never worked out but the club would of gone under if he hadn't of come in

Showing his true colours, so thank you Paul and family for all you have done

Dalton Bluebird wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:14 pm

boyliegladbach wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:38 pm

Which they got from the opening misleading bit of yesterday 1st statement

"After careful consideration, it is time for me to end my ownership of Barrow AFC. The plan was for this to take a bit more time, but when Paul Hornby stepped up to take over, I knew it was right"

Which was quickly followed up by a statement from Paul Hornby
“To correct some erroneous reporting you may have seen, I will be acting as a steward in an interim Chairman role, not taking over as sole owner.”

More like a official reciever trying to find a buyer
Should have left at the end of the season to give a chance to sell in close season,bills would have been lower.

anybody have any info on aotori limited? a new company set up by Andrew casson on the 13th august described by companies house as" Management consultancy activities other than financial management"

Pedro wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:40 pm

Dalton Bluebird wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:14 pm

Which was quickly followed up by a statement from Paul Hornby
“To correct some erroneous reporting you may have seen, I will be acting as a steward in an interim Chairman role, not taking over as sole owner.”

More like a official reciever trying to find a buyer
Should have left at the end of the season to give a chance to sell in close season,bills would have been lower.

Hey Pedro,
It's nice that you are giving this your full intellectual capacity - frankly, you wouldn't know good if it hit you in the face - your posts are really not worthy of a reply - so why don't you just crawl back under your stone and f off ??

blumooncrab wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:03 pm

Pedro wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:40 pm

More like a official reciever trying to find a buyer
Should have left at the end of the season to give a chance to sell in close season,bills would have been lower.

Hey Pedro,
It's nice that you are giving this your full intellectual capacity - frankly, you wouldn't know good if it hit you in the face - your posts are really not worthy of a reply - so why don't you just crawl back under your stone and f off ??

But you did anyway

Heard someone tonight say that the majority of people interested in AFC thought that PC had broken his promises re the ground.
I think this is grossly unfair. Yes there are some who think that as we have seen on here many times, but the majority? Sorry that is just not true.
Were they promises or aspirations? I think the latter and as has been said PC found that running the club was much more complex and expensive than he had first visualised, and he had to reevaluate his aspirations.
PC has just gifted £3M to the club. Give the man a break.

barrowfan wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:24 pm Heard someone tonight say that the majority of people interested in AFC thought that PC had broken his promises re the ground.
I think this is grossly unfair. Yes there are some who think that as we have seen on here many times, but the majority? Sorry that is just not true.
Were they promises or aspirations? I think the latter and as has been said PC found that running the club was much more complex and expensive than he had first visualised, and he had to reevaluate his aspirations.
PC has just gifted £3M to the club. Give the man a break.

The buisnessman did nt really spend his 3 million effectively did he lets be honest. Nothing to show for it the ground is a state and will soon be at the point of no return

barrowfan wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:24 pm Heard someone tonight say that the majority of people interested in AFC thought that PC had broken his promises re the ground.
I think this is grossly unfair. Yes there are some who think that as we have seen on here many times, but the majority? Sorry that is just not true.
Were they promises or aspirations? I think the latter and as has been said PC found that running the club was much more complex and expensive than he had first visualised, and he had to reevaluate his aspirations.
PC has just gifted £3M to the club. Give the man a break.

The fact remains that PC was initially quoted in the local and national press as saying he was going to get the club back into the football league (£2million) and build a new stadium (£10million). The icing on the cake being the formation of a supporter's group to help choose the design of said stadium.

Give the man a break by all means but stick to the facts.

Wintergreen wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:32 am

barrowfan wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:24 pm Heard someone tonight say that the majority of people interested in AFC thought that PC had broken his promises re the ground.
I think this is grossly unfair. Yes there are some who think that as we have seen on here many times, but the majority? Sorry that is just not true.
Were they promises or aspirations? I think the latter and as has been said PC found that running the club was much more complex and expensive than he had first visualised, and he had to reevaluate his aspirations.
PC has just gifted £3M to the club. Give the man a break.

The fact remains that PC was initially quoted in the local and national press as saying he was going to get the club back into the football league (£2million) and build a new stadium (£10million). The icing on the cake being the formation of a supporter's group to help choose the design of said stadium.

Give the man a break by all means but stick to the facts.

Talking of facts please post a link or quote where he said he was going to spend £12M.

Let's have facts not fantasy!

barrowfan wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:33 am

Wintergreen wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:32 am

The fact remains that PC was initially quoted in the local and national press as saying he was going to get the club back into the football league (£2million) and build a new stadium (£10million). The icing on the cake being the formation of a supporter's group to help choose the design of said stadium.

Give the man a break by all means but stick to the facts.

Talking of facts please post a link or quote where he said he was going to spend £12M.

Let's have facts not fantasy!

He said he was putting a lid on the holker street end.

All this [SwearFilter] could have been prevented if he actually employed someone with a background in behind the scenes football club management at the start, He went fact finding at Fleetwood and came back with Colne Dynamoes ideas instead.

I think we have to get a sense of realism with this.

This week Debenhams announced that they were closing 50 stores. Hopefully Barrow is not one of them but it could be. When they opened those 50 stores they certainly didn’t expect that they would be closing them, but any business has to look at changing circumstances.

The Cassons expected the Barrow people to support them more than they did, in just the same way as Debenhams did with those 50 stores.

Times change and businesses have to change as well.

I agree that the Cassons should have employed people who actually knew about running a football club, but they didn’t.

Last night Andrew admitted that they had made mistakes along the way, but you can’t help but admire a family that writes off £3M in memory of their late father.

Last night Paul Hornby said they’d already had an offer to buy the club outright. It must be very tempting to say OK, bit I think that PH knows the dangers in doing that. Personally I would favour a consortium of people to take the club forward.

We should draw a line under the past and move forward to a hopefully bright future.

barrowfan wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:53 am I think we have to get a sense of realism with this.

This week Debenhams announced that they were closing 50 stores. Hopefully Barrow is not one of them but it could be. When they opened those 50 stores they certainly didn’t expect that they would be closing them, but any business has to look at changing circumstances.

The Cassons expected the Barrow people to support them more than they did, in just the same way as Debenhams did with those 50 stores.

Times change and businesses have to change as well.

I agree that the Cassons should have employed people who actually knew about running a football club, but they didn’t.

Last night Andrew admitted that they had made mistakes along the way, but you can’t help but admire a family that writes off £3M in memory of their late father.

Last night Paul Hornby said they’d already had an offer to buy the club outright. It must be very tempting to say OK, bit I think that PH knows the dangers in doing that. Personally I would favour a consortium of people to take the club forward.

We should draw a line under the past and move forward to a hopefully bright future.

Well said and so true

Employing Andrew was the biggest mistake. All along the biggest surprise with Paul Cassons takeover was that for such an obviously successful businessman he didn’t employ a proper MD etc to run the club

barrowfan wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:53 am I think we have to get a sense of realism with this.

This week Debenhams announced that they were closing 50 stores. Hopefully Barrow is not one of them but it could be. When they opened those 50 stores they certainly didn’t expect that they would be closing them, but any business has to look at changing circumstances.

The Cassons expected the Barrow people to support them more than they did, in just the same way as Debenhams did with those 50 stores.

Times change and businesses have to change as well.

I agree that the Cassons should have employed people who actually knew about running a football club, but they didn’t.

Last night Andrew admitted that they had made mistakes along the way, but you can’t help but admire a family that writes off £3M in memory of their late father.

Last night Paul Hornby said they’d already had an offer to buy the club outright. It must be very tempting to say OK, bit I think that PH knows the dangers in doing that. Personally I would favour a consortium of people to take the club forward.

We should draw a line under the past and move forward to a hopefully bright future.

If they did expect much more support then they were living in "cloud cuckoo" land. The days of significantly higher attendances at places with the population of Barrow are over and anybody looking at attendances in the lower football league of national league attendances would know that much higher attendances were unlikely. A few clubs buck the trend but most don't. It's also been proved that with astute management (or large financial support) you can survive in the lower levels of the football league. Accrington got promoted from Division 2 to Division 1 two seasons ago with average attendances of 1,608. Last season in Division 1 they averaged 1,979. Even this season while currently lying 4th in Division 1 they average 2,267. Six clubs in Division 2 are averaging less than 3,000 with another 5 less than 4,000. I have no idea whether Accrington have a large financial backer but most of their players have been recruited from lower levels or are loan players. They obviously have a manager or scouts with an eye for decent lower level players. However well Barrow do on the field they will never attract many more people than the Accringtons of this world.

barrowfan wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:33 am Talking of facts please post a link or quote where he said he was going to spend £12M.

Let's have facts not fantasy!

I can't believe someone called barrowfan would need this information. I can only suppose you were out of the country or indisposed round about the time of the Rochdale FA Cup game. The 'facts' were reported in the Sun, the Telegraph and the Evening Mail to name a few. This is an extract from what the Telegraph piece said.

"He (Casson) invested over £2 million and wants to spend another £10 million on a new stadium. Barrow were expelled from the Football League in 1972. They are currently challenging just outside the National League’s play-off places, recently going 26 matches unbeaten." https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... er-league/

I don't know what your motivation is but as you say let's have facts not fantasy.