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1AFC wrote:

Steeley wrote:Played well, but if were playing well and not beating teams with ten men then we should be worried. We didnt really create anything. Alot of hot air.

Frustrates me about how we are unable to change things until were losing, they go down to 10 men and our tactics dont change at all, subs never warm up, Evil came on and literally stood up from the bench, threw two coats on the floor and walked on, hardly a [SwearFilter] warm up. Danny Winger Rowe wanted to come off at one point and we took Owen off!
Was impressed with striker Rowe, Ray Harvs and Baker but was dissapointed with our inability to create clear chances.

If we dont win on saturday i reckon were gone. Were not picking up vital points and we keep bigging up 'the next game'. How about win the last one.

We were on top of them before the sending off, and just after the sending off, so no need to change a 'winning' team.

Do you not remember what happened last week? IMO, he did right. But let me guess Bayles tactics were all wrong?!?

They sucker punched us, didnt play us, were hardly in our half? Don't sit there and say the tactics were wrong, when we massively outplayed the league leaders.

Maybe that's where we've been going wrong all season - instead of trying to play teams off the park, maybe we should just try and win by any means necessary.
We have scored the fewest goals and conceded the most in the league. It doesn't matter how many teams we outplay. It matters how many we beat as this will decided our fate.
Too good to go down eh? Heard that before haven't we.....

1AFC wrote:

Steeley wrote:Played well, but if were playing well and not beating teams with ten men then we should be worried. We didnt really create anything. Alot of hot air.

Frustrates me about how we are unable to change things until were losing, they go down to 10 men and our tactics dont change at all, subs never warm up, Evil came on and literally stood up from the bench, threw two coats on the floor and walked on, hardly a [SwearFilter] warm up. Danny Winger Rowe wanted to come off at one point and we took Owen off!
Was impressed with striker Rowe, Ray Harvs and Baker but was dissapointed with our inability to create clear chances.

If we dont win on saturday i reckon were gone. Were not picking up vital points and we keep bigging up 'the next game'. How about win the last one.

We were on top of them before the sending off, and just after the sending off, so no need to change a 'winning' team.

Do you not remember what happened last week? IMO, he did right. But let me guess Bayles tactics were all wrong?!?

They sucker punched us, didnt play us, were hardly in our half? Don't sit there and say the tactics were wrong, when we massively outplayed the league leaders.

WE LOST. 0 POINTS. SCORED LESS THAN THE OTHER TEAM.
The amount of times ive heard this season 'we were better than them' 'they were nothing special' 'we had all the possesion'
If we dont win games were going down.

Prime example, in the last couple of minutes yesterday, we got a free kick about half way, and instead of loading the box and launching it in, we played it short, passed it around their half for about 30 seconds and lost the ball.
The tactics didnt work last night, we lost, this is a results business, playing fancy passes around the middle of the field doesnt keep teams up.

donny bluebird wrote:Too good to go down eh? Heard that before haven't we.....

Without trawling through this whole thread I don't think one person has said "we're too good to go down"

We were discussing whether it was worth changing thing's with fifteen to go & we all thought the same, no need (unless for an injury) we were pretty much all over them with only one disappointed team at that stage & that was us because we weren't winning!! they would have been happy with a point just before their goal.
If DB had changed things & we'd lost I can just see how this thread would have gone then.

Steeley wrote:

1AFC wrote: We were on top of them before the sending off, and just after the sending off, so no need to change a 'winning' team.

Do you not remember what happened last week? IMO, he did right. But let me guess Bayles tactics were all wrong?!?

They sucker punched us, didnt play us, were hardly in our half? Don't sit there and say the tactics were wrong, when we massively outplayed the league leaders.

WE LOST. 0 POINTS. SCORED LESS THAN THE OTHER TEAM.
The amount of times ive heard this season 'we were better than them' 'they were nothing special' 'we had all the possesion'
If we dont win games were going down.

Prime example, in the last couple of minutes yesterday, we got a free kick about half way, and instead of loading the box and launching it in, we played it short, passed it around their half for about 30 seconds and lost the ball.
The tactics didnt work last night, we lost, this is a results business, playing fancy passes around the middle of the field doesnt keep teams up.

We had 11 shots, to thier 5, of which 8 of ours were on target. On a different day with the same tactics we could have won 3-0 easily. They hit us massively against the run of play.

If the tactics were wrong, I assume you want us to hoof it up the field (when Boyes wasn't playing) and see what would have happened? We would have got humiliated last night.

Some people like you are never happy. Also about the free kick on the half way line, I'm with you 100% on that, it's not hard to flood the box and send a ball in with only a minute to go.

spirit of 1990 wrote:

donny bluebird wrote:Too good to go down eh? Heard that before haven't we.....

Without trawling through this whole thread I don't think one person has said "we're too good to go down"

We were discussing whether it was worth changing thing's with fifteen to go & we all thought the same, no need (unless for an injury) we were pretty much all over them with only one disappointed team at that stage & that was us because we weren't winning!! they would have been happy with a point just before their goal.
If DB had changed things & we'd lost I can just see how this thread would have gone then.

This exactly +1

1AFC wrote:

Steeley wrote: WE LOST. 0 POINTS. SCORED LESS THAN THE OTHER TEAM.
The amount of times ive heard this season 'we were better than them' 'they were nothing special' 'we had all the possesion'
If we dont win games were going down.

Prime example, in the last couple of minutes yesterday, we got a free kick about half way, and instead of loading the box and launching it in, we played it short, passed it around their half for about 30 seconds and lost the ball.
The tactics didnt work last night, we lost, this is a results business, playing fancy passes around the middle of the field doesnt keep teams up.

We had 11 shots, to thier 5, of which 8 of ours were on target. On a different day with the same tactics we could have won 3-0 easily. They hit us massively against the run of play.

If the tactics were wrong, I assume you want us to hoof it up the field (when Boyes wasn't playing) and see what would have happened? We would have got humiliated last night.

Some people like you are never happy. Also about the free kick on the half way line, I'm with you 100% on that, it's not hard to flood the box and send a ball in with only a minute to go.

It never is a 'different day' though is it? Never went but apparently we battered lincoln, still never got 3 points though did we? If we are playing these teams off the park and not winning is that not more worrying for you? If we cant win when we play well when will we win?

Doesnt matter how many shots we had, they were all pretty tame and catching practice for their keeper. I think he made one half decent save. We failed to create clear cut chances (again)

Was disappointed last night with the way we didnt try to take advantage of sending off,we never used the extra man at all, if anything as earlier poster said we went to 6 in midfield and gave Wrexham time to build from the back which gave them more of the ball than when they had 11 on field.
Effort was excellent and although we had most of the play, football is about scoring goals and taking your chances,Wrexham did we dont..thats why we're at bottom of league and they're at top...and having more money also helps

Had a good chat with tony last night and he seems stressed out ! I don't understand the numbers on gate getting smaller when we play top football and I feel for the man been honest as the bod come in for some stick on here yet from what I see thay back db to the hilt. Where would we be without them ? I think thay do a top job with what little we have. Fair play and thank you for sticking by us

Last night (Wrexham) we were excellent, on balance probabaly deserved to win, yet lost.
Saturday (Lincoln) we were very good, on balance definitely deserved to win, yet drew.
Last Saturday (Nuneaton) we were ok, did enough to win the game for 89minutes, yet lost.

Thats 8 points we quite conceivably should have had but dropped, in the last week and a half alone. That would have put us up to 16th and 7 points clear.

Sooner or later we have to stop saying we were unlucky/should have won & accept we dont do enough to win games so maybe we arent good enough. Teams that put the ball in the back of the net more then the other team win games. If you don't do that you aren't staying up. Our pretty passing and possession means [SwearFilter] all without scoring goals and putting teams to the sword. Pretty soon we'll run out of games left to say "let's take that into the next one and win".

Still think we'll go down.

"Last night (Wrexham) we were excellent, on balance probabaly deserved to win, yet lost.
Saturday (Lincoln) we were very good, on balance definitely deserved to win, yet drew.
Last Saturday (Nuneaton) we were ok, did enough to win the game for 89minutes, yet lost."
Can i see an improvement trend in this quote or does it tell me "we arent good enough" Goals win games .......not performances....

1AFC wrote:

Steeley wrote:Played well, but if were playing well and not beating teams with ten men then we should be worried. We didnt really create anything. Alot of hot air.

Frustrates me about how we are unable to change things until were losing, they go down to 10 men and our tactics dont change at all, subs never warm up, Evil came on and literally stood up from the bench, threw two coats on the floor and walked on, hardly a [SwearFilter] warm up. Danny Winger Rowe wanted to come off at one point and we took Owen off!
Was impressed with striker Rowe, Ray Harvs and Baker but was dissapointed with our inability to create clear chances.

If we dont win on saturday i reckon were gone. Were not picking up vital points and we keep bigging up 'the next game'. How about win the last one.

We were on top of them before the sending off, and just after the sending off, so no need to change a 'winning' team.

It wasn't a winning team tho was it ?

KHayman wrote:

1AFC wrote: We were on top of them before the sending off, and just after the sending off, so no need to change a 'winning' team.

It wasn't a winning team tho was it ?

Yes it was.

1AFC wrote:

KHayman wrote: It wasn't a winning team tho was it ?

Yes it was.

Were we winning at the time or drawing ? Work it out

Ste Story wrote:Last night (Wrexham) we were excellent, on balance probabaly deserved to win, yet lost.
Saturday (Lincoln) we were very good, on balance definitely deserved to win, yet drew.
Last Saturday (Nuneaton) we were ok, did enough to win the game for 89minutes, yet lost.

Thats 8 points we quite conceivably should have had but dropped, in the last week and a half alone. That would have put us up to 16th and 7 points clear.

Sooner or later we have to stop saying we were unlucky/should have won & accept we dont do enough to win games so maybe we arent good enough. Teams that put the ball in the back of the net more then the other team win games. If you don't do that you aren't staying up. Our pretty passing and possession means [SwearFilter] all without scoring goals and putting teams to the sword. Pretty soon we'll run out of games left to say "let's take that into the next one and win".

Still think we'll go down.

+1 Were not good enough. You don't lose/concede as much as we do if your unlucky.

Ste Story wrote:Last night (Wrexham) we were excellent, on balance probabaly deserved to win, yet lost.
Saturday (Lincoln) we were very good, on balance definitely deserved to win, yet drew.
Last Saturday (Nuneaton) we were ok, did enough to win the game for 89minutes, yet lost.

Thats 8 points we quite conceivably should have had but dropped, in the last week and a half alone. That would have put us up to 16th and 7 points clear.

Sooner or later we have to stop saying we were unlucky/should have won & accept we dont do enough to win games so maybe we arent good enough. Teams that put the ball in the back of the net more then the other team win games. If you don't do that you aren't staying up. Our pretty passing and possession means [SwearFilter] all without scoring goals and putting teams to the sword. Pretty soon we'll run out of games left to say "let's take that into the next one and win".

Still think we'll go down.

+1 except for the "still think we'll go down" bit.

We are staying up.