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Post by April1972 » Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:40 pm

HenneysKnee wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:34 pm First half we passed the ball far too slowly, having loads of possession is great but you need to pass it quicker, drag players out of position and then play balls in behind….we didn’t do that. Still not sure who the “get it into the blooming box Barrow” shouters on the popular side exactly wanted it to go into the box to though tbh, Zanzala has been pretty poor all round since that first month or so when he was half fit and tonight even Gordon wasn’t his usual all energy self for the 90 minutes like he usually is.
Second half was better once we went to a back 4 and Kay was a lot more direct when he got the ball, we actually started to beat the man out wide on our right hand side. Brough had plenty of the ball but kept hitting the back of the first defender with his crosses, again he isn’t making the runs in behind he did last season when the Cumbrian Carlos nickname was born.
Pretty poor all round but at least we didn’t lose, and could even have snatched the 3 points when Gordon hit the bar.

Never go in for all these inflated crowd theories but that one tonight genuinely baffled me, there was loads of room on the popular side, to hear it was over 2700 was a pleasant surprise to say the least
Excellent summary.
We definitely deserved a win though based on the last 20 minutes. They were hanging on.
Agree re the crowd figure - we always do a guess the attendance when we are stood there and none of us said over 2,000 tonight.

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Post by spirit of 1990 » Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:46 pm

Jim wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:20 pm I am hoping to see a fired-up Zanzala showing us what he is capable of tonight. He has been anonymous too often recently.
Well he let you down Jim.

First half was terrible but we grew into the second 45 and we were probably unlucky in the end not to score a second. Having said that, we were poor, if a team set up to defend we have no idea how to play against them…pass back, pass across the pitch, keep possession (passes 364-64…!) while all the time they’re lapping it up. Why the manager cannot see it’s sometimes better to throw a cross in rather than just pass pass pass…well them passing stats must tell him something. The lack of a proven goalscorer is becoming more and more of a worry.

Very poor result but in the end just happy we didn’t get beat.

BTW, we all seemed to think their keeper was well off his line for the pen, which was poor anyway but perhaps a case for a re-take.
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Post by blumooncrab » Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:49 pm

Chester City, Southend United and Grimsby Town all over again. Least we got a point. Poor defending again at a set piece ( a la Colchester and Leyton Orient). I’m afraid James Jones is not doing very well at this level. Couldn’t get behind them at all first half. Got much better when Zanzala went off. He’s turning into a big disappointment. In the end hit woodwork twice missed a penalty and scored: more points lost - nevertheless if we keep working hard I’m confident that we will establish a good base for progress. Last season we would not have turned that around.

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Post by Barrow Lad New » Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:51 pm

Barrow seemed destined to upholding the long tradition of losing to teams at the bottom, having over 75% possession throughout but seemingly little idea how to get through to Scun thorpe’s box until the final 20 minutes. Then, after Ollie Banks failed to score from a 74th minute penalty, a period of intense pressure five minutes later enabled Robbie Gotts to equalise from close range.

The game started in the worst possible way. Only 25 seconds after Scun thorpe’s kick-off, a Scirmshaw shot was tipped over by Farman for a corner. Two minutes later a Pugh throw caused chaos in Barrow’s area with Hippolyte being fouled. Luckily for Barrow, Loft blasted his penalty wide of the left post.

Twenty minutes in, Hackney was booked for a foul on Zanzala but Barrow’s No.10 was seeing little of the ball anyway due to continual sideways and backwards passing by Barrow trying to work out a route through.

In the 28th minute, Brough finally did get a good cross into the area but Gordon couldn’t meet it.

We continued to make hard work of our possession and, sensing an opportunity to spring a surprise, Scun thorpe tried the more direct route. In the 41st minute, Scrimshaw again forced Farman to punch out for a corner. However, Hackney’s corner proved incisive with Taft making it 0-1 with a free header.

The half could therefore be summed up as 5 minutes of Scun thorpe at the start and finish (which could have seen Barrow go in with a two-goal deficit), with a lot of Barrow passing moves and overplaying for the half hour in between.

With only a one-goal deficit however, there was still chance for the Bluebirds to mount a second half revival. Kay replaced Jones at the break which did add a little more attacking intent but the visitor’s defence still proved resilient. Five minutes in, Millen was booked for a foul on Gotts and just after the hour Williams came on for Stephens. The visitors also made two changes around the hour, Hippolyte and Scrimshaw making way for Beestin and Wood.

Although easily-saved, Gordon did at least register a shot on target in the 63rd minute. Still, Barrow were struggling to make possession count and in the 71st minute, there was a change in potential strike force as Sea returned to replaced Zanala.

In the 73rd minute, a Banks cross was put out for a corner. The resultant melee in the area saw a handball and a penalty to Barrow. However, Banks’ effort was saved at the left post.

A penalty miss for each team had evened out the score on spot kicks. Now, Barrow needed to score from open play. Jarvis came on for Hackney as the visitors came under a late period of intense pressure. As Hackney was leaving the pitch slowly, Brough decided to help him with a friendly push- for which he was yellow carded. After two point-blank saves by Watson, Gotts finally found a way through from close range for 1-1 in the 80th minute.

There was a scare in the 85th minute when Loft pinched the ball from Ellis for a breakaway toward goal but Pugh blasted wide from the edge of the area.

Barrow could have won the game in the closing stages but it turned out to be too little, too late. A dipping header from Gordon in the 87th minute hit the bar and Kay shot straight at Watson a minute later. In the third minute of added time, a Williams shot looked like it was curling inside the right post, but Watson was equal to it.

The crowd was 2,739 including 86 visiting fans.

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Post by andyg » Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:55 pm

Few observations watching it on ifollow. We started off at the same pace we played the first half at Port Vale. But this is a different game when you play a team like Scunny. They went for it at the start missed the pen then settled into their defensive formation. We passed slowly like at Port Vale. Poor defending (yet again) from a set piece and we go one down. Some say Zanzala and Gordon don't play well together I think our back 3 don't play well together. Be interesting who plays once Platt, Brown and Nthle get fit (the latter if ever).

Whatever Kay's faults are he does give us energy and that was good but I feared the worst when Banks missed that pen Knew he would (but should have been re-taken as goalie was miles of his line when he struck it). So to get the goal is definitely an improvement on last year. Think Southend & Grimsby.

Feel Cooper's been a bit unlucky with the forwards as I felt he hoped a Quigley Zanzala forward line with Gordon behind them was what he envisaged but we all know that didn't happen. Zanzala is not an out and out centre forward and he would be a better player with a reasonably quick big forward with him. Saw the first match against Scunny in August & was impressed with Bunn who was injured tonight. But a better version of that type of player is needed in January I think. I also think we desperately need a quick big centre back as well particularly if Platt continues to be injured. I know Connor likes Ellis but I think he is suspect and needs quick defenders around him.

So we are 11th!!! Walsall hitting form so lets hope we can deal with their more direct fast physical approach. A certain Otis Khan just signed a short term contract with them - remember him? Scored a couple of good goals for us during his loan period here - hope he doesn't get any on Saturday.

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Post by Jonty » Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:59 pm

Never 2700 in there tonight I would say 1700 tops.

We overplayed it and when we did start putting decent balls into the box we cant get on the end of it. Set pieces - please change the corner routine because I don’t think we ever win anything in the air from corners.

Most frustrating game of the season. Scunthorpe came with spoiling tactics and got the point. We won’t have a game with as much ball possession again for the rest of the season (86% second half. Forget the first half we were terrible)
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Post by Middleton Nick » Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:25 pm

Glad to make it home the normal way. It wasn't until the second half we started giving them problems and in the end we could have won it but it wasn't to be.
Off to Walsall we go and I expect Zanzala to be on the bench after another poor performance tonight. If Sea is fit he has to start with Gordon.

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Post by tictactoe » Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:31 pm

I am still waiting to see what zanzala can do as the games I’ve seen him he has been dire.

Tonight was awful, get the ball and pass it back most of the time. Get a shot in the box and make them defend, always a chance they’ll make a mistake, put it out for corner etc etc. Looked livelier when Kay came on. Poor corners at times too, again get it in the middle.
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Post by Hitthebar22 » Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:03 am

Strange game in some ways, but predictable. We are better when the other side wants to play. S'thorpe only interested in defending throughout, and hoping to hit on the break.Frustratingly difficult to break them down despite 80% possession. Not helped by the "get it forward/get it in the box" brigade living in the 1970's emerging again. Lumping it forward really isn't the way and is a terrible watch. A big shout for Hutton from me. Not a great defender (not brought here as a right back) but almost without exception he beat his man and crossed decently from out wide, or passed accurately to a teammate when attacking. Gotts extremely good. Everyone saying we need an effective front man, but who doesn't? Even up to Championship standard clubs cry out for such players. All in all I think we are currently an authentic and deserved L2 side. We could do well. Disappointed to hear some negative comments directed at Cooper, most likely born out of frustration and certainly not knowledge.

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Post by Methuselah » Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:22 am

Can somebody tell me what happened to Zanzala tonight.He seemed to be asleep for most of the game.I,m glad Mark Cooper decided to substitute him.
In the first half we were wooden and got caught out resulting in Scunthorpe going in 1.0 up at half time.
At least they managed to equalise in the second half,but we should be better than that.This is a game we should have won.

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Post by Methuselah » Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:23 am

Can somebody tell me what happened to Zanzala tonight.He seemed to be asleep for most of the game.I,m glad Mark Cooper decided to substitute him.
In the first half we were wooden and got caught out resulting in Scunthorpe going in 1.0 up at half time.
At least we managed to equalise in the second half,but we should be better than that.This is a game we should have won.

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Post by Methuselah » Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:26 am

Can somebody tell me what happened to Zanzala tonight.He seemed to be asleep for most of the game.I,m glad Mark Cooper decided to substitute him.
In the first half we were wooden and got caught out resulting in Scunthorpe going in 1.0 up at half time.
At least we managed to equalise in the second half,but we should be better than that.This is a game we should have won.

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Post by Jonty » Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:38 am

Hitthebar22 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:03 am Strange game in some ways, but predictable. We are better when the other side wants to play. S'thorpe only interested in defending throughout, and hoping to hit on the break.Frustratingly difficult to break them down despite 80% possession. Not helped by the "get it forward/get it in the box" brigade living in the 1970's emerging again. Lumping it forward really isn't the way and is a terrible watch. A big shout for Hutton from me. Not a great defender (not brought here as a right back) but almost without exception he beat his man and crossed decently from out wide, or passed accurately to a teammate when attacking. Gotts extremely good. Everyone saying we need an effective front man, but who doesn't? Even up to Championship standard clubs cry out for such players. All in all I think we are currently an authentic and deserved L2 side. We could do well. Disappointed to hear some negative comments directed at Cooper, most likely born out of frustration and certainly not knowledge.
I was shouting get it forward plenty of times because despite having 80% possession and 786 completed passes we weren’t causing them any real problems and lacked the final through ball time and again. Getting it forward doesn’t mean “lump it” forward in the way you make out. Getting it forward means playing positive attacking quick passes forward and moving with pace. Turning and moving with the ball- exactly what Josh Kay did when he came on. He at least drives forward with the ball and what a difference when he came on. You might not agree but we did nothing with the ball first half and people shouting get it forward are at least voicing a bit of passion in what was an extremely frustrating night.
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Post by russell_anderson » Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:59 am

For 75 mins a complete shambles. Dragged into the match for the last 15 mins by Gotts who was everywhere and the only outfield player coming out of the match with any real credit although Hutton wasn't too bad at times even with some awful crossing and Kay and Sea were an improvement. Scunny were every bit as bad as I expected - worse actually - and we were just as bad! We have big problems in central defence with Jones not playing well and the other 2 about as slow as any central defenders I've seen this season plus a powder puff strike force. Constantly hitting balls in the air to strikers with one being a relative midget and the other looking disinterested. As has been said earlier by other posters, it's O.K. keeping possession but passing backwards and sideways at snails pace will get you nowhere even against a team as bad as Scunny.

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Post by Tomo » Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:57 am

Completely agree people in the popular side shouting get it foreword they don't mean hoof it into the box! There shouting for the ball to to be played from defence through midfield to the forwards much quicker than we were doing in the first half.

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