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According the club’s Twitter site Barrow have scored 57 goals this season which is more than any other team in the top 5 tiers of English football.
Well done lads! :scarf:

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We've also played more games than most of them as well.
Stupid stat
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boyliegladbach wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:32 pm
We've also played more games than most of them as well.
Stupid stat
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Apart from the fact that we are top, the most important stats are that we have scored more goals than anyone else in the National League and have two games in hand over most clubs

And many clubs in the Championship and League 2 have played 26 games, only two less than ourselves

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Second best defence in the league after Solihull too, not going that badly at the moment is it.

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Key stat is points per game ratio which is now a smidge under 2.0. Anything over 2.0 would almost certainly be Championship winning level as points would be in the 90s.

Further, the way the NL is performing this season is shaping up to be closer between top and bottom than usual. Bad news for those fighting relegation as the survival number (20th) could easily reach 50 points. But also means that Champions might not need as many points if others continue to share the points around. This is the right season to be in the position we are in.

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Suffolk Blue wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:17 pm
Key stat is points per game ratio which is now a smidge under 2.0. Anything over 2.0 would almost certainly be Championship winning level as points would be in the 90s.

Further, the way the NL is performing this season is shaping up to be closer between top and bottom than usual. Bad news for those fighting relegation as the survival number (20th) could easily reach 50 points. But also means that Champions might not need as many points if others continue to share the points around. This is the right season to be in the position we are in.

A perfect storm? Are you feeling lucky?
Great post Suffolk
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Suffolk Blue wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:17 pm
Key stat is points per game ratio which is now a smidge under 2.0. Anything over 2.0 would almost certainly be Championship winning level as points would be in the 90s.

Further, the way the NL is performing this season is shaping up to be closer between top and bottom than usual. Bad news for those fighting relegation as the survival number (20th) could easily reach 50 points. But also means that Champions might not need as many points if others continue to share the points around. This is the right season to be in the position we are in.

A perfect storm? Are you feeling lucky?
Amen brother!

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And since the first 10 games of the season we are averaging 2.5pts per game which is just ridiculous.

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Suffolk Blue wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:17 pm
Key stat is points per game ratio which is now a smidge under 2.0. Anything over 2.0 would almost certainly be Championship winning level as points would be in the 90s.

Further, the way the NL is performing this season is shaping up to be closer between top and bottom than usual. Bad news for those fighting relegation as the survival number (20th) could easily reach 50 points. But also means that Champions might not need as many points if others continue to share the points around. This is the right season to be in the position we are in.

A perfect storm? Are you feeling lucky?
I've seen people arguing that because there's no run-away winners and the fact that we are top with a points tally that would normally put us about 5th at this stage, that the standard is poor this season! Surely if it's closer and no team is dominating, then the standard is higher overall?!
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Moribund wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:55 pm
Suffolk Blue wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:17 pm
Key stat is points per game ratio which is now a smidge under 2.0. Anything over 2.0 would almost certainly be Championship winning level as points would be in the 90s.

Further, the way the NL is performing this season is shaping up to be closer between top and bottom than usual. Bad news for those fighting relegation as the survival number (20th) could easily reach 50 points. But also means that Champions might not need as many points if others continue to share the points around. This is the right season to be in the position we are in.

A perfect storm? Are you feeling lucky?
I've seen people arguing that because there's no run-away winners and the fact that we are top with a points tally that would normally put us about 5th at this stage, that the standard is poor this season! Surely if it's closer and no team is dominating, then the standard is higher overall?!
Depends which way you look at it. Mathematically you might say that the performance variation is less than it usually is across the division. Not having Salford and Orient in the division is partly responsible and you could argue with some validity that they were markedly better than what we have left in the division this year. However at the other end of the division the quality of those being relegated last year is probably poorer than the quality of those in the same positions at the moment. Add in the fact that teams such as Fylde, Wrexham and Chesterfield were expected to take far more points than they have and others like Aldershot, Woking and Halifax have taken far more than forecast and you end up with this weird levelling out effect.

As we are now nearly 2/3 through the season this pattern is unlikely to change. So whether the NL is better or tougher this season depends on which measure you take and where you are within it. Strangely for us at the top it doesn't feel as tough as it would do for the bottom 10. Ironically many of those clubs will still point to the Top 7 and say "we are only x points from the play-offs" thinking that a swift movement upwards is quite possible which technically it is. However because of the levelling effect in play, making a swift move up the table is both less likely and more difficult. So making up a 8-10 point gap between now and the end of the season becomes highly unlikely even if it appears reasonably achievable.

In this context the value of a 2.5 points average over 19-20 games is truly remarkable and hard as it is still for some of us to take on board it says that our performance level during this period is far superior to any other team in this division. Far superior. The fact that we are Barrow is still masking this level of superiority in the eyes of many others and I'm happy for that to continue.

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Suffolk Blue wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:54 pm
Moribund wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:55 pm


I've seen people arguing that because there's no run-away winners and the fact that we are top with a points tally that would normally put us about 5th at this stage, that the standard is poor this season! Surely if it's closer and no team is dominating, then the standard is higher overall?!
Depends which way you look at it. Mathematically you might say that the performance variation is less than it usually is across the division. Not having Salford and Orient in the division is partly responsible and you could argue with some validity that they were markedly better than what we have left in the division this year. However at the other end of the division the quality of those being relegated last year is probably poorer than the quality of those in the same positions at the moment. Add in the fact that teams such as Fylde, Wrexham and Chesterfield were expected to take far more points than they have and others like Aldershot, Woking and Halifax have taken far more than forecast and you end up with this weird levelling out effect.

As we are now nearly 2/3 through the season this pattern is unlikely to change. So whether the NL is better or tougher this season depends on which measure you take and where you are within it. Strangely for us at the top it doesn't feel as tough as it would do for the bottom 10. Ironically many of those clubs will still point to the Top 7 and say "we are only x points from the play-offs" thinking that a swift movement upwards is quite possible which technically it is. However because of the levelling effect in play, making a swift move up the table is both less likely and more difficult. So making up a 8-10 point gap between now and the end of the season becomes highly unlikely even if it appears reasonably achievable.

In this context the value of a 2.5 points average over 19-20 games is truly remarkable and hard as it is still for some of us to take on board it says that our performance level during this period is far superior to any other team in this division. Far superior. The fact that we are Barrow is still masking this level of superiority in the eyes of many others and I'm happy for that to continue.
Ultimately, it's a matter of opinion - are our opponents stronger than last season? I'm not so sure - Chorley are better than whoever was bottom last year, but overall it's about the same. I think Barrow, playing the way we are, would probably have been top of the pile last year too.

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EHB wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:39 pm
And since the first 10 games of the season we are averaging 2.5pts per game which is just ridiculous.
In which case I would be happy for Barrow AFC to be 'ridiculous' every season :scarf:

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