Where do we go from here?

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Re: Where do we go from here?

Post by Bluebarrowman » Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:46 pm

Kieran wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:13 am
Bluebarrowman wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:32 pm I think the fact that MM is still here and didn't resign with Cox means he wants the job
The fact that he has publicly stated he wants it might give some indication too.
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Post by Bluebarrowman » Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:47 pm

Renfrew Refugee wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:48 am Why would he resign? no job to go to no money. sacked and a compensation payout
Paul Cox did

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Re: Where do we go from here?

Post by The Tomahawk Kid » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:54 am

Chris Benoit wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:07 pm
The Tomahawk Kid wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:28 pm NOBODY knows what's gone on and none of us ever will.
Reading between the lines and reading past comments made by Casson and Cox in the EM enables one to make an informed assumption, however.
Aye. Just like "nobody" knew things like signings before they were announced. The people I have spoken to in the past have usually been bang on with regards to club news and I doubt that they would gain anything from telling me about Paul Cox sudden (if you could really say that) departure.

Sure, things aren't exactly screaming out investment at the minute but you even admitted yourself that you are forming an opinion off stuff that is not definitive. Maybe try waiting and seeing what happens in due course rather than slating the club for something you aren't actually 100% sure about yourself.
I don't think that you're 100% sure, yourself? Are you?
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Re: Where do we go from here?

Post by The Tomahawk Kid » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:57 am

barrowfan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:02 pm Story goes that Cox wanted to bring in a certain player and it was blocked by Casson after Ogden had his say, so undermining the authority of the manager.
If that's true, that's appalling! No wonder he left.
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Post by Hadrian » Fri Sep 01, 2017 1:20 pm

If that's true, sounds like a sensible owner protecting his business...
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Post by Bigfathoss » Fri Sep 01, 2017 1:32 pm

The Tomahawk Kid wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:57 am
barrowfan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:02 pm Story goes that Cox wanted to bring in a certain player and it was blocked by Casson after Ogden had his say, so undermining the authority of the manager.
If that's true, that's appalling! No wonder he left.
Why would that be appalling? Can Cox not make a mistake and be corrected by others?
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Post by Chris Benoit » Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:07 pm

The Tomahawk Kid wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:54 am
Chris Benoit wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:07 pm

Aye. Just like "nobody" knew things like signings before they were announced. The people I have spoken to in the past have usually been bang on with regards to club news and I doubt that they would gain anything from telling me about Paul Cox sudden (if you could really say that) departure.

Sure, things aren't exactly screaming out investment at the minute but you even admitted yourself that you are forming an opinion off stuff that is not definitive. Maybe try waiting and seeing what happens in due course rather than slating the club for something you aren't actually 100% sure about yourself.
I don't think that you're 100% sure, yourself? Are you?
No but I don't make assumptions from radio interviews.
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Re: Where do we go from here?

Post by barrowfan » Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:17 pm

Bigfathoss wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2017 1:32 pm
The Tomahawk Kid wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:57 am

If that's true, that's appalling! No wonder he left.
Why would that be appalling? Can Cox not make a mistake and be corrected by others?
How can a player be judged to be a mistake before he's had a chance to play? A manager is employed to manage, and not have others brought in behind his back to give advice to the owner. The buck stops with the owner of course but why employ a manager if you don't allow him to manage?

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Post by Bigfathoss » Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:43 pm

barrowfan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:17 pm
Bigfathoss wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2017 1:32 pm

Why would that be appalling? Can Cox not make a mistake and be corrected by others?
How can a player be judged to be a mistake before he's had a chance to play? A manager is employed to manage, and not have others brought in behind his back to give advice to the owner. The buck stops with the owner of course but why employ a manager if you don't allow him to manage?
Perhaps the player in question had other problems, like a very disruptive personality or some other off-pitch problem?
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Re: Where do we go from here?

Post by The Real Slim Azza » Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:56 pm

Bigfathoss wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:43 pm
barrowfan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:17 pm

How can a player be judged to be a mistake before he's had a chance to play? A manager is employed to manage, and not have others brought in behind his back to give advice to the owner. The buck stops with the owner of course but why employ a manager if you don't allow him to manage?
Perhaps the player in question had other problems, like a very disruptive personality or some other off-pitch problem?

Its players that cox wanted in not a player.
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Re: Where do we go from here?

Post by Soulboy » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:07 pm

a former member of this forum
Please detail ?
Cox went without trace and no after statement.
Something big caused this ....if you have the information please tell?

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Re: Where do we go from here?

Post by barrowfan » Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:14 pm

The Real Slim a former member of this forum wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:56 pm
Bigfathoss wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:43 pm

Perhaps the player in question had other problems, like a very disruptive personality or some other off-pitch problem?

Its players that cox wanted in not a player.
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Re: Where do we go from here?

Post by Jonty » Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:42 pm

barrowfan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:17 pm
Bigfathoss wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2017 1:32 pm

Why would that be appalling? Can Cox not make a mistake and be corrected by others?
How can a player be judged to be a mistake before he's had a chance to play? A manager is employed to manage, and not have others brought in behind his back to give advice to the owner. The buck stops with the owner of course but why employ a manager if you don't allow him to manage?
I wouldnt put it quite that way but the still relatively new Head of Football role might put off potential candidates who are used to doing things their own way. How will all work with the next Manager.
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Re: Where do we go from here?

Post by South Yorkshire Blue » Sun Sep 03, 2017 1:14 am

We have a real talent in Youseff. Whatever the future holds, the coaches and board ought to build the playing side around him.

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Re: Where do we go from here?

Post by The Tomahawk Kid » Sun Sep 03, 2017 1:13 pm

barrowfan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:17 pm
Bigfathoss wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2017 1:32 pm

Why would that be appalling? Can Cox not make a mistake and be corrected by others?
How can a player be judged to be a mistake before he's had a chance to play? A manager is employed to manage, and not have others brought in behind his back to give advice to the owner. The buck stops with the owner of course but why employ a manager if you don't allow him to manage?
Well said!

Once a Manager (in any form of business) has his authority demeaned (and it certainly looks that way) you can hardly expect him to hang around long. Can you Imagine how Alex Ferguson or Bill Shankley would have reacted?
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