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Re: Damaging

Post by Tommylad » Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:42 am

Fed up of this didn't answer the phone story. Wasn't it Danny Parslow ( still at York) and Amari Morgan smith ( also at York) he attempted to bring in? Hardly good conference players and weren't better then any of the players in their perspective positions we had last season.

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Re: Damaging

Post by Pedro » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:05 am

bigmac95 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:15 am
MikeRenney wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 12:17 am Yes engage in debate but also recognise what is downright insulting such as Pedro comparing Casson to Vaughan, surely everyone on this forum must recognise the offensiveness of this. As for a former member of this forum going on about the phone lines being down at Christmas as though all it took was a bit more money to clinch promotion. The absurdity of this especially in football is beyond parody, loads of teams have thrown money at similar situations and failed why would Barrow have succeeded. The other thing is for all we know Cox may have exceeded his budget and was still demanding more why should he have got it. I believe at times he had quite a lot of expensive players on the bench so why did he need any more.
If we move along steadily that would be fine and I think most fans would be happy with that.
Even rich or comparatively rich owners have to act sensibly.
If they don't you end up in the same scenario of the old joke. How do you get a small fortune. Have a big fortune then buy a football club.
I am sorry Mike i have to disagree. Pedro chats some utter rubbish, admittedly, but what he wrote was that Casson will end up leaving us in a similar position to what Vaughan did - believe it or not, before Casson took over this was a common worry and a majority view on this forum - i am sure that one of the forum anoraks can find the thread which is evidence of this.

Moreover, i don't disagree with Pedro's concern - and before people read this and sigh this view is rooted in the fact that the company which owns the club has made tremendous losses and, as of yet, nothing has been done to increase the viability and self sufficiency of the club. My gut feeling is that Casson is a brilliant business man who will not keep losing millions, that is not in his nature, so that leaves 2 options i). the club increases revenue streams, or ii). Casson pulls out. I think option one is highly unlikely and I would not blame Casson for taking second option because i do not think this town cares enough about its own football club, people would rather watch Utd etc. at the pub then support Barrow. For the avoidance of doubt, Casson isnt Vaughan, he isnt a crook and i believe he had the best intentions when he bought the club, but the town has not bought into the idea and the bandwagon has not gained any new passengers. My honest belief is that we will have an unhappy ending, we will end up in a similar position to 1999.

I agree that spending in January would not have guaranteed promotion, but not spending certainly guaranteed we would not get promoted. The frustration i feel is that this league is hard, and it seems to get harder every year. I dont think any amount of money can guarantee you a chance at promotion - there are too many big teams, but last year we had a sniff, we were in the play offs come January and for the first time we actually had a chance of FL, i just think we missed an opportunity. Now, i qualify this view by saying that i agree if Cox had spent his budget then that is that, i agree we should be frugal (for the reasons above). However, i am sure i read a comment maybe an official one, or maybe one from @spirit of 1990? stating that the January loans cost a hell of a lot - this suggests the budget wasnt all spent.

My final point, i am a bit tired of coming on this forum and seeing only 2 views ever being recognized, either your a Cassonite, or against the club. I am neither, i support Barrow, i support Paul Casson because his aims, and my hopes align. That doesnt mean i cant disagree or comment on the way the club is run or how decisions are made and when i do disagree i shouldn't be vilified and told i am not a 'true' supporter. Equally, i am grateful and always will be for Casson coming along and investing in the club, but i do miss something about the old days of Bayliss and Sheridan and the grit and passion a group of decent footballers with hearts like lions who punched well above their weight in 2008, 2009 and 2010 - i do miss that underdog status. The club has been stranded in no mans land for as long as ive followed Barrow with no plan and no direction for the future - Casson hasnt changed this but i cant blame him because there was no strategy in the first place. My frustration is borne out of love for this club.

Mike, this is a great debate and i enjoy reading all sides, above is mine. Just remember every inch of this great town was built by it sons and it is its sons who can build this football club up again.

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Thanks my only concern is Barrow AFC and if someone comes in and saves us and says he will keep us afloat that's ok.
The worst day of my football life was getting home and find we had been thrown out of the league.
I would have accepted if Casson came in kept a low profile and progressed us rather than promising us.
The most disappointing thing he did not do was fetched cheer leaders in like Crystal Palace that would at least compensate for whats that's my last word except with whats happening I will be happy if we are mid table and do not get thumped at Sutton

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Re: Damaging

Post by Steelworks End » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:10 am

The day they introduce cheer leaders at Holker Street will be the day I stop going.

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Re: Damaging

Post by russell_anderson » Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:55 pm

bigmac95 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:15 am this view is rooted in the fact that the company which owns the club has made tremendous losses
Is this factually true? Does anybody have figures to support it? It would certainly provide a reason why things are looking so bleak.

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Re: Damaging

Post by Forde » Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:33 pm

Anyone know where i can find a copy of the book that states what a so called real supporter is please? Since i have joined this forum, all i see is people calling each other out on what makes a real fan of a business that pays people to play a hobby 90 mins a week.
I go most weeks but not been away for years, am i a fan?
I am also not happy with the way things are at the moment, does that mean i'm not a fan now?

Answers welcome.

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Re: Damaging

Post by boyliegladbach » Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:20 pm

Forde wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:33 pm Anyone know where i can find a copy of the book that states what a so called real supporter is please? Since i have joined this forum, all i see is people calling each other out on what makes a real fan of a business that pays people to play a hobby 90 mins a week.
I go most weeks but not been away for years, am i a fan?
I am also not happy with the way things are at the moment, does that mean i'm not a fan now?

Answers welcome.
Why would a Newcastle fan be bothered

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Re: Damaging

Post by Forde » Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:30 pm

boyliegladbach wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:20 pm
Forde wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:33 pm Anyone know where i can find a copy of the book that states what a so called real supporter is please? Since i have joined this forum, all i see is people calling each other out on what makes a real fan of a business that pays people to play a hobby 90 mins a week.
I go most weeks but not been away for years, am i a fan?
I am also not happy with the way things are at the moment, does that mean i'm not a fan now?

Answers welcome.
Why would a Newcastle fan be bothered
Are you?

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