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Re: Club statement

Post by Lowtower » Fri May 18, 2018 10:25 pm

Andy Wood is a cock of the highest order

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Post by barrowfan » Fri May 18, 2018 10:45 pm

Radio Cumbria tonight - starts at 5.50 https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0657665

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Post by mall » Sat May 19, 2018 7:23 am

Nigel Bamford wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 10:18 pm
mall wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 10:00 pm I was listening to Radio Cumbria sport at 6 o'clock tonight. Andy Wood, apart from saying that a Fylde fan he was talking to was "laughing his head off" at our predicament, also said that "Gavin Skelton gets on well with the Cassons" !.
Can anyone throw any light on this ???.
He followed it up by saying they need to appoint a 'Yes man' because interference in team matters by the Cassons was not uncommon. That was the most disturbing 'takeaway' I got from this evening's programme.
Yes you're right there Nigel, that part (interference in team matters) went over my head initially.

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Post by barrowfan » Sat May 19, 2018 8:36 am

mall wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 7:23 am
Nigel Bamford wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 10:18 pm

He followed it up by saying they need to appoint a 'Yes man' because interference in team matters by the Cassons was not uncommon. That was the most disturbing 'takeaway' I got from this evening's programme.
Yes you're right there Nigel, that part (interference in team matters) went over my head initially.
So that’s Gavin Skelton as our next manager then! ;)

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Post by The Tomahawk Kid » Sun May 20, 2018 3:33 pm

After reading the Club Statement my first thought was that I'd read it somewhere before. De ja vu?
Is Andrew Casson Brian Keen in disquise? :o

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Re: Club statement

Post by Wintergreen » Sun May 20, 2018 6:13 pm

Something has been nagging at the back of my mind since this story broke and another poster touched on it too. The CEO states "...£4 million have (sic) been 'invested'..." what do the punctuation marks on the word invested indicate?

In the past some of the notable philanthropists who kept the club afloat by 'pumping their own money in' have actually been loaning the club money which had to be paid back with interest.
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Post by barrowfan » Sun May 20, 2018 6:44 pm

Wintergreen wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 6:13 pm Something has been nagging at the back of my mind since this story broke and another poster touched on it too. The CEO states "...£4 million have (sic) been 'invested'..." what do the punctuation marks on the word invested indicate?

In the past some of the notable philanthropists who kept the club afloat by 'pumping their own money in' have actually been loaning the club money which had to be paid back with interest.
An interesting question.

I am told that according to the audited accounts of BARROW AFC there has been a deficit of around £1M a year since taken over by Paul Casson, so one has to conclude that the debt belongs to BARROW AFC and not Paul Casson. If he has lent that money either Interest free or at a rate of interest BARROW AFC has a deficit of around £4M which presumably can be called in at any time.

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Post by Bingo » Sun May 20, 2018 7:23 pm

Barrow AFC is in one person's ownership he owes himself £4 million. It doesn't show In the accounts as loans its shows as share capital I assume that means he would have to forfeit or off set this if he sold up. If he had placed the ground in the ownership of a different company I'd be more worried

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Post by Jonty » Sun May 20, 2018 9:48 pm

“In my brief time working in football, I have learned that a club that is reliant on a single shareholder cannot achieve lasting success. This is because we all work a little less hard than we should because we think the money will bring success and I have fallen into this thought process as well. Barrow is capable of having a Football League team, but only if everyone pulls together and works hard to make that dream a reality”

Don’t think anyone would disagree with the statement. The whole article reads like a sensible and workable business strategy, however one key point has not been addressed. Is Casson going to seek additional investment to get on board. This is a key question.
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Post by BTC » Sun May 20, 2018 9:55 pm

Bingo wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 7:23 pm Barrow AFC is in one person's ownership he owes himself £4 million. It doesn't show In the accounts as loans its shows as share capital I assume that means he would have to forfeit or off set this if he sold up. If he had placed the ground in the ownership of a different company I'd be more worried
I'd be pretty surprised if some or all of his expenditure to date hasn't been offset as losses for the purpose of his US company or personal tax liabilities.

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Re: Club statement

Post by barrowfan » Sun May 20, 2018 10:34 pm

BTC wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 9:55 pm
I'd be pretty surprised if some or all of his expenditure to date hasn't been offset as losses for the purpose of his US company or personal tax liabilities.
Is that possible when the two companies are in different countries and different sectors of business?

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Re: Club statement

Post by Pedro » Mon May 21, 2018 7:35 am

barrowfan wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 10:34 pm
BTC wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 9:55 pm
I'd be pretty surprised if some or all of his expenditure to date hasn't been offset as losses for the purpose of his US company or personal tax liabilities.
Is that possible when the two companies are in different countries and different sectors of business?
Yes it is Paul Cassons admitted he was using such a system to finance the club when he took over.
Branson does the similiar borrows money from his own Bank in atax haven.Charges his UK company that hires in Drs nurses to the NHS that much in interest he makes no profit here and hence little tax liability and the profits are kept overseas with low tax paid if any
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Re: Club statement

Post by mickmike wilson » Mon May 21, 2018 2:10 pm

barrowfan wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 8:36 am
mall wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 7:23 am
Yes you're right there Nigel, that part (interference in team matters) went over my head initially.
So that’s Gavin Skelton as our next manager then! ;)
Not happening.

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Re: Club statement

Post by The Tomahawk Kid » Mon May 21, 2018 3:00 pm

Wintergreen wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 6:13 pm Something has been nagging at the back of my mind since this story broke and another poster touched on it too. The CEO states "...£4 million have (sic) been 'invested'..." what do the punctuation marks on the word invested indicate?

In the past some of the notable philanthropists who kept the club afloat by 'pumping their own money in' have actually been loaning the club money which had to be paid back with interest.
'Invested' - Mmmm...

An investment warrants a 'Return' - surely?

So are we being led to believe that Paul Casson's five year plan and his promise of a new stadium + his/our dream of returning to the FL was really only secondary to his REAL AIM of making money out of Barrow AFC?

His presentation at The Forum indicated that he was, like his father, a true fan of the club.
A true fan is driven by passion and love for his club, surely?

'Invested' - Mmmm... :roll:
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Re: Club statement

Post by Nigel Bamford » Mon May 21, 2018 6:00 pm

What else do you call £4.0m ploughed into the business, most as share capital? What word would you have liked him to use?
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