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Post by Suffolk Blue » Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:21 pm

Richard Ingham wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:46 pm Chorley seem happy with the end to the season and state they think it should be voided. bit.ly/3cJabTc
I'd be amazed if they didn't think it should be voided Richard. Get them to have a word with Kings Lynn.

On a similar subject there is an interesting little conundrum brewing at the bottom of Step 6 (Non-League Step 2). Since Step 3 has been voided teams at the bottom of NLN and NLS have already been reprieved. If there is any form of promotion agreed by the NL, teams will be promoted into the NL from their feeder leagues leaving each league two teams short as there would be no promotion from below. Indeed even if the NL voided and the EFL invited us to join one of the National Leagues will be a team short.

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Post by NORTHERNSOUL » Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:42 pm

HenneysKnee wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:25 pm Your assuming that the National league has actually had confirmation from the football league that they want a team or teams promoted. If they don’t the season may as well be null and void
After Bury were expelled they started the process by announcing that only 3 teams would be relegated from Lge 1 and only one would be relegated from Lge 2 and as I think they worded it " creating a vacancy in league 2 " Now they could in effect change their mind and say reprieve Stevenage but that would make them look a little silly with regards to what they said at the time.

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Post by Matty » Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:49 pm

John_Bucks wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:18 pm
LewisBAFC1901 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:05 pm My opinion is we shouldn’t go up as the games weren’t finished and we still had teams to play. Therefore i think we should Null and Void
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Post by saltcellar » Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:52 pm

Let's just hope that any vote see's us returning to the football league.
As a supporter for 66 years we have waiting too long for it not to happen now in such an unheard of situation.
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Post by HenneysKnee » Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:54 pm

More interesting statement from UEFA; they’ve basically taken null and void off the table for the Prem if they want to keep their Champions League/Europa League places. Hopefully the football league and thus national league follow their lead

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Post by NORTHERNSOUL » Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:08 pm

Suffolk Blue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:19 am
HenneysKnee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:01 am

That won’t happen imho. Why should Harrogate be in the play off and not Notts County for example
Chairman Dave is living in his alternate reality. His idea of a play-off between two clubs is quite odd until you realise that in order for the suggestion to be plausible there would have to be only one spot available to play for. So he's factoring in that no team will be relegated from League 2 (which itself runs counter to the EFL's declared position). Clearly there is a reason he is assuming this - the real and pretty transparent reason for the idea - namely that there would also be no relegation from the NL (or for Fylde).

What you end up with is one of these peculiar variations that takes different positions on promotion and relegation to fit the needs of a particular club who's options are limited. As has been pointed out Notts County could generate something similar to suit them.

This type of idea is likely to be binned pretty early on because it does not on the face of it address the needs of the majority. .
Well you can bin it now because the one place that's definitely on offer [ well almost certainly on offer ] is by invitation and therefore no playoff would be necessary and as I .ve said before there are still outstanding issues with Harrogates ground [ i believe they have had a conditional offer based on certain work being done which runs to a lot more than the tweaks Barrow would have to make] so why would the FL create a can of worms for themselves that wouldn't exist by inviting Barrow. Plus I believe that on the financial checks although with a sugar daddy owner Harrogate look very stable the FL are very wary of that sort of ownership after having their fingers burnt by Bury and of course Oyston at Blackpool.

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Post by Suffolk Blue » Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:54 pm

NS - I truly hope that you are right mate.

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Post by Suffolk Blue » Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:10 pm

HenneysKnee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:54 pm More interesting statement from UEFA; they’ve basically taken null and void off the table for the Prem if they want to keep their Champions League/Europa League places. Hopefully the football league and thus national league follow their lead
Yes that is pretty important HK. Means that Liverpool will be Champions even if they dont play another game. More importantly it very probably means that relegation places will be allocated and therefore the EFL can expect to promote two teams from the Championship. Meaning that the EFL is very unlikely to go "null and void". Meaning that it will expect two teams to be promoted from the NL into L2. Meaning that it will put additional pressure on the NL not to have null and void as an option.

As TESCO are fond of saying - every little helps.

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whitty1969 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:00 am 2 up 1 down then ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52409558
Who knows? At some point in the next few days the NL will sit down with a group of lawyers, at some cost, and possibly armed with a stack of proposals from NL members to discuss its process for reaching a solution on the season’s outcome. Whilst I’m not a lawyer myself I’ve spent many hours with them over the years in not totally dissimilar situations and in practice I think the legal advice might come down to some key principles or tests for decisions that are made:

Firstly have decisions been made from a process that is demonstrably fair and reasonable? Any decision that was made for reasons of expediency or without proper consideration might not be legal. This could counter the argument used by some that the outcome should not matter in such a time of crisis and we should just shut things down. Whilst an understandable position, it probably wouldn't fly legally

Secondly has the process been demonstrably equitable to its members. So any process where a bias could be demonstrated to a club or group of clubs in the decision making process would not be legally sound. I would consider promotion without relegation as potentially falling into this category. I expect the advice to be “stay consistent”.

Thirdly in making its decision has the NL remained within its legal mandate or rules of association. I think the NL will be strongly counselled not to bend or change their rules in any way as a means of finding a solution. So for example ideas that involve having a single play-off game between 1st and 2nd place for which there is no previous context should be avoided.

Fourthly, the story suggests that the legal advice might be to the NL that even if they can demonstrate these tests have been met, they may find themselves in a position that is technically legal but is not considered desirable or acceptable to other stakeholders, in this case the EFL. It is this consideration that will probably determine the fate of a “voiding” option.

What these tests will do is weed out the non-starters. Ultimately all roads ultimately lead back to basics but the most simple, obvious and all-embracing solutions will be the one they find most difficult to agree on.

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whitty1969 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:00 am 2 up 1 down then ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52409558
I'm encouraged by the phrase "...the EFL needs to balance its divisions after the expulsion of Bury... ". It suggests the writer has had some indication of that from the EFL rather than saying ' [the EFL]... will probably want to...".
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Post by Jonty » Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:52 pm

Gary Neville always seems to have a good grip on the difficulties faced by clubs lower down the pyramid.

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