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Post by Suffolk Blue » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:11 pm

Wintergreen wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:45 pm
blue nige wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:36 pm Head of French FA Noel Le Graet announces officially that Ligue 1 and Ligue 2 seasons are over. They will follow the regulations: take the position after the last game for the title, Europe, relegation (Toulouse & Amiens) and promotion (Lorient and Lens). https://t.co/8GHQ7TRJJX

Interesting decision :)
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Still waiting to hear from the Dutch FA whether having voided their season they still expect to be admitted into European competition next season. I know what the Germans think.

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Re: Decisions being made

Post by Fartvs Antiqvvs » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:40 pm

Breaking news: Greggs is to reopen though.

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Re: Decisions being made

Post by McMark » Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:40 pm

Fartvs Antiqvvs wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:40 pm Breaking news: Greggs is to reopen though.

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Re: Decisions being made

Post by Wintergreen » Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:12 pm

blue nige wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:36 pm Head of French FA Noel Le Graet announces officially that Ligue 1 and Ligue 2 seasons are over. They will follow the regulations: take the position after the last game for the title, Europe, relegation (Toulouse & Amiens) and promotion (Lorient and Lens). https://t.co/8GHQ7TRJJX

Interesting decision :)
Nige Bleu - could av mentionedez-vous that the article was en francais.

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Post by Jim » Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:19 pm

Fartvs Antiqvvs wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:40 pm Breaking news: Greggs is to reopen though.

Allons enfants de la pâtisserie. :D
To digress from the thread topic for a moment: our local paper quoted a director of Greggs saying "We want to do our bit to get the nation up and running again", to which one person added a comment "You are doing that by being closed". :lol:

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Re: Decisions being made

Post by NORTHERNSOUL » Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:54 pm

Suffolk Blue wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:48 am
Nigel Bamford wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:31 am This is part of the text from the National League's letter which I think has relevance (I found it in the Harrogate Advertiser):

The current EFL position as outlined verbally to the National League and the FA is that if the National League completes its play-offs following the existing approved format (my emphasis) and League Two completes its season, it is reasonable to assume the National League play-off winner can be promoted as the ‘National League runner- up’.

'However, if either of these conditions were not fulfilled, it is quite possible that the promotion place for the play-off winner could be jeopardised.'


The key phrase is "existing approved format", i.e. the clubs in 2nd to 7th places. By any calculation Barrow are top and, therefore, not involved. I was a bit despondent last night listening to Ian Dennis on BBC RC but this has perked me up.
Great quote that Nigel. The words are very specific and important. I read this as the EFL warning the NL not to mess about with things and stay within the existing rules. Certainly no encouragement to void and another inference being made between the team that finishes first and the other play-off candidates.

I have this feeling that what we are experiencing is the NL trying to resolve an inner conflict between the self-interests of its members and the need to act collectively and responsibly. You get the impression that if the NL do call a result, they will do so reluctantly. But it does seem clear that the EFL has got involved in this issue and is giving specific guidance which can only be positive.
Looks to me that the NL will now wait for certainty whether the FL are going to resume or not. If they do then the NL will run the playoffs as normal ie 2nd down to 7th to establish the 2nd club to be promoted

If the FL choose not to resume and either void the season with no promotions or relegations or go with the scenario of promoting but not relegating clubs [ meaning that Stevenage won't be relegated ] no second club would be needed [ unless of course, an FL club was to go bust and was needed to be replaced ] there would be no need to establish the 2nd club and would, therefore, be no need for the playoffs either.

The problem with this tho is that there will be clubs wanting a decision on releasing players and the FL decision could be a way off yet what the NL could do is announce who the 6 playoff clubs are then they could make their own decisions on releasing players or extending them to play in any possible playoffs and the rest of the league could then get on and release their out of contract players.

But in all the last weeks comings and goings, I have yet to see anything that indicates that Barrow aren't already promoted in fact i.d go as far as to say that exactly the opposite is true.

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Post by Suffolk Blue » Wed Apr 29, 2020 5:47 pm

NS: Please dont say that we are already promoted. You are basing this view on reason and logic and that is a very dangerous thing to do when dealing with the mindsets of football associations.

There has been a noticeable mood change since Monday in the sport what with Project Restart and some Government encouragement to prepare for some kind of sporting rebirth. I think that helps create an atmosphere in which positive decisions are easier to make.

With regard to the play-offs should they happen, they are very unlikely to feature Borehamwood who's chairman has already indicated that he wants the season voided despite being in 4th place. This seems to have been positioned as being the "best" thing to do, but may have as much to do with their gate revenue combined with anticipated costs of stepping up and perhaps having to play without any away fans. As far as I know he is the only owner in the play-off picture to take this view. Solihull and Barnet I believe would both be happy to acquire a play-off spot.

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Post by russell_anderson » Wed Apr 29, 2020 5:49 pm

NORTHERNSOUL wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:54 pm But in all the last weeks comings and goings, I have yet to see anything that indicates that Barrow aren't already promoted in fact i.d go as far as to say that exactly the opposite is true.
I completely agree.

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Post by Suffolk Blue » Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:00 pm

Suffolk Blue wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:11 pm
Still waiting to hear from the Dutch FA whether having voided their season they still expect to be admitted into European competition next season. I know what the Germans think.
You want to know how bent a football associations decisions can be? The Dutch FA having decided to void its season and prohibit any promotion and relegation in its main leagues has nonetheless decided that it will select its teams for inclusion in the Champions League and Europa League next season based on this seasons league positions - the ones that it has just expunged.

There's a suggestion that the Dutch FA will be asking Stephen Frayne aka Dynamo to demonstrate how this trick is done by making the word void disappear into thin air.

So there you go. Something that is void can simultaneously exist in a state that is not void at all. A bit like matter and anti-matter.

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Post by Adam29 » Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:29 pm

The potential problem that lies for us is if the National League decide to void the season - The EFL will be the ones tasked to select the side to be instated into the Football League.

They will have the luxury of picking any of the 24 clubs (that meet league criteria) in the National League - harsh but that is how it is

Let’s just hope that if that does happen all the media sources and high profile people that were backing the club come back out in force again because then it will be needed

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Post by Nigel Bamford » Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:46 pm

Adam29 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:29 pm The potential problem that lies for us is if the National League decide to void the season - The EFL will be the ones tasked to select the side to be instated into the Football League.

They will have the luxury of picking any of the 24 clubs (that meet league criteria) in the National League - harsh but that is how it is

Let’s just hope that if that does happen all the media sources and high profile people that were backing the club come back out in force again because then it will be needed
That really would be passing the buck but I think the promotion-chasing clubs would be extremely unhappy should the National League pass up the chance - even if it is no more than that - of allowing two of their clubs to be promoted rather than just the one.
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Adam29 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:29 pm The potential problem that lies for us is if the National League decide to void the season - The EFL will be the ones tasked to select the side to be instated into the Football League.

They will have the luxury of picking any of the 24 clubs (that meet league criteria) in the National League - harsh but that is how it is

Let’s just hope that if that does happen all the media sources and high profile people that were backing the club come back out in force again because then it will be needed
voiding the season would be a disaster for the National League - they need to be able to produce a final league table in case other EFL teams go bust like Bury did - and several - like Macclesfield seam very dodgy financially at present. A final league table would allow the EFL to "invite" teams in an order that still looked like integrity was still the major factor in their choices.
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Re: Decisions being made

Post by Adam29 » Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:52 pm

Nigel Bamford wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:46 pm
Adam29 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:29 pm The potential problem that lies for us is if the National League decide to void the season - The EFL will be the ones tasked to select the side to be instated into the Football League.

They will have the luxury of picking any of the 24 clubs (that meet league criteria) in the National League - harsh but that is how it is

Let’s just hope that if that does happen all the media sources and high profile people that were backing the club come back out in force again because then it will be needed
That really would be passing the buck but I think the promotion-chasing clubs would be extremely unhappy should the National League pass up the chance - even if it is no more than that - of allowing two of their clubs to be promoted rather than just the one.
It will be just one - no way that league 2 will be completed so Stevenage will get a reprieve

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Post by chipmunx » Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:01 pm

Adam29 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:52 pm
Nigel Bamford wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:46 pm
That really would be passing the buck but I think the promotion-chasing clubs would be extremely unhappy should the National League pass up the chance - even if it is no more than that - of allowing two of their clubs to be promoted rather than just the one.
It will be just one - no way that league 2 will be completed so Stevenage will get a reprieve
Ian Dennis pretty much said the same by saying the NL play off's would not happen.
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Post by Suffolk Blue » Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:01 pm

Adam29 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:52 pm
Nigel Bamford wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:46 pm
That really would be passing the buck but I think the promotion-chasing clubs would be extremely unhappy should the National League pass up the chance - even if it is no more than that - of allowing two of their clubs to be promoted rather than just the one.
It will be just one - no way that league 2 will be completed so Stevenage will get a reprieve
Adam - You are giving me the impression that you either know or suspect something. Your recent posts have been anything but optimistic. You seem to have reached a conclusion that only one team will end up going up despite communiques that suggest the opposite. Be honest - are you closer to this matter than the rest of us and do know something we dont? And even if you dont I'd be interested to know what your best guess current is and why you have come to that conclusion.

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