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Re: EFL Safeguarding?

Post by Adam29 » Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:09 pm

Hartlepool and Grimsby have also posted similar so it’s certainly not a club decision

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Re: EFL Safeguarding?

Post by Jonty » Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:21 pm

Where in the EFL safeguarding policy does it say that “under 14’s must be accompanied by an adult”. From what I can see It does not say this, (quite possible I’ve overlooked it, so please provide a link to this statement) the safeguarding policy provides a set of guiding principles and expectations on clubs to commit to safeguarding but it looks like it is the club themselves that have took this particular decision.
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Re: EFL Safeguarding?

Post by walneyroad » Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:45 pm

Jonty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:21 pm Where in the EFL safeguarding policy does it say that “under 14’s must be accompanied by an adult”. From what I can see It does not say this, (quite possible I’ve overlooked it, so please provide a link to this statement) the safeguarding policy provides a set of guiding principles and expectations on clubs to commit to safeguarding but it looks like it is the club themselves that have took this particular decision.
I too have trawled the internet for information about the EFL safeguarding policy. I cannot find any reference to this requirement.

I think the club needs to issue a proper statement giving chapter and verse and links to where this information appears in the EFL guidelines.

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Re: EFL Safeguarding?

Post by MisterPleasant » Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:49 pm

I noticed that Stockport have also introduced the rule. I also looked for it in the EFL Safeguarding guidance but to do so is like looking for the proverbial needle in a haystack.
However, while it might be unpopular (and I started going to HS on my own from age 12) the world is a different place and corporate bodies are far more likely to be the subject of opprobrium and litigation should something happen to little Johnny while within the ostensible care of the club. It's all very well saying 'ignore it', 'turn a blind eye ' etc. but the minute something happened to a child you can bet your life there would be lawyers all over it on the parents' behalf.
By all means, if the clubs want to get the rule changed then try to do it. But to ignore it would be madness.
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Re: EFL Safeguarding?

Post by blue nige » Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:50 pm

Jonty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 4:43 pm I’m reading the EFL guidance on safeguarding and so far I can’t see anything that says “EFL regulation - children under 14 must be accompanied by an adult”

Are you sure this isn’t a club decision?
Neither can I Jonty, I'd like someone from the club to explain how they came to this decision!

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Re: EFL Safeguarding?

Post by blue nige » Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:03 pm

SAFEGUARDING this from a club and police who let drunk away fans walk straight out into the home fans it's an absolute joke ,this should have been discussed and explained to people because it's just another rule interpreted to make it easy to manage young kids as a country where the hell are we going 😳

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Re: EFL Safeguarding?

Post by Desmond2-2 » Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:05 pm

Just read the EFL latest guidelines, also stipulates 1. No shouting at opponents or officials, No singing over 40 decibel’s,No wearing of Any footwear that tie’s above the ankle,No wearing of T shirts that have slogans on,No hand gestures,No use of the words White or Black,And finally No showing any physical signs of being happy. Safe guarding my arse.

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Re: EFL Safeguarding?

Post by blue nige » Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:08 pm

MisterPleasant wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:49 pm I noticed that Stockport have also introduced the rule. I also looked for it in the EFL Safeguarding guidance but to do so is like looking for the proverbial needle in a haystack.
However, while it might be unpopular (and I started going to HS on my own from age 12) the world is a different place and corporate bodies are far more likely to be the subject of opprobrium and litigation should something happen to little Johnny while within the ostensible care of the club. It's all very well saying 'ignore it', 'turn a blind eye ' etc. but the minute something happened to a child you can bet your life there would be lawyers all over it on the parents' behalf.
By all means, if the clubs want to get the rule changed then try to do it. But to ignore it would be madness.
So if we change or interpret a rule ,under a risk assessment you have to have reason's to do so, unless I've missed something I don't remember any incidents regarding under 14's we can't live our lives under what it's, what next curfews for under 14's?
As I stated previously there's more danger involving Away fans of we which we do very little!

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Re: EFL Safeguarding?

Post by Cromwell58 » Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:47 pm

What happens if a parent can not afford to go but gives his money to their child to go ?

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Re: EFL Safeguarding?

Post by blue nige » Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:00 pm

Adam29 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:09 pm Hartlepool and Grimsby have also posted similar so it’s certainly not a club decision
That doesn't make it right though !but Stockport aren't? so it's definitely our club's interpretation!

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Re: EFL Safeguarding?

Post by MikeRenney » Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:03 pm

Can perhaps see why for bigger grounds and crowds but not for the bottom couple of divisions. Shame that it has to happen like this because I can’t remember any incidents being reported that led to this ruling.

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Re: EFL Safeguarding?

Post by Main Stand SeasonTct » Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:06 pm

blue nige wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:00 pm
Adam29 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:09 pm Hartlepool and Grimsby have also posted similar so it’s certainly not a club decision
That doesn't make it right though !but Stockport aren't? so it's definitely our club's interpretation!
Maybe an explanation statement from the Clubs Safeguarding manager Alison Jesson on the clubs interpretation would be useful?

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Re: EFL Safeguarding?

Post by blue nige » Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:07 pm

MikeRenney wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:03 pm Can perhaps see why for bigger grounds and crowds but not for the bottom couple of divisions. Shame that it has to happen like this because I can’t remember any incidents being reported that led to this ruling.
Exactly, Still can't find the section where the club can merit this decision though so can't wait for the answer!

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Re: EFL Safeguarding?

Post by MisterPleasant » Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:34 pm

blue nige wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:00 pm
Adam29 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:09 pm Hartlepool and Grimsby have also posted similar so it’s certainly not a club decision
That doesn't make it right though !but Stockport aren't? so it's definitely our club's interpretation!
The Stockport site says 'children 14 and under must be accompanied by an adult ' - up to 4 per adult. Note the difference in age interpretation; ours says 'under 14'.
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Re: EFL Safeguarding?

Post by Jonty » Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:08 pm

Barrow Aberdeen (Steve) has been very much involved in the development of safeguarding requirements for the club and is also passionate about ensuring the game is accessible to all and that includes younger groups of fans.
I am sure he will catch sight of this thread and may be able to clear up any queries being raised and clarify the clubs decisions on this one.
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