Carlisle v Barrow match thread

[Suffolk Blue]

This is great fun.

Did you know that for anything other than ceremonial purposes York is not actually within the County of North Yorkshire? These days what matters to politicians is who holds the budgets and who is responsible for the provision of local services. As has been pointed out above, boundaries may also get shifted as a pretext for re-aligning electoral boundaries. So in the case of York all of the control for provision and management of local services still lies with York City Council and not North Yorkshire County Council. So York City Council can be said to act as a unitary authority though clearly it remains within the geographical entity of North Yorkshire.

In the case of Suffolk where i live the "shire" boundaries have not changed much since the Doomsday book. The same goes for Norfolk. Until recently financing of both Suffolk and Norfolk was completely independent of each other. Now however, there are plans to merge the Norfolk and Suffolk police forces and that would require a partial merger of the governing financial authorities. In other words a partially merged unitary authority.

In Barrows case, things seem to be even stranger. They are going to resurrect a "dead" shire - Westmoreland, which I presume will adhere to its previous geographical boundaries. However this wont work administratively or financially unless the population of Furness is incorporated. In fact lack of a robust enough population was one of the primary reasons for the creation of Cumbria in the first place. So to accommodate the change the notion of the ancient hundred of North Lonsdale has been conjured up to establish some form of "logical" connection between Furness and the "back from the dead" entity of Westmoreland. But what is to be created is not the old shire but an old shire plus. So Westmoreland is being brought back as a means of creating a unitary authority that cannot be described within the historical understanding of the former County of Westmoreland itself.

In summary therefore we will be part of a unitary authority built around a "dead" shire that we've never been part of but will remain within the geographical entity that will still be called Cumbria, when the only county we have historically been connected to is Lancashire.

I think I've finally found something more nuts than the EFLs process for deciding how to calculate a football season ending on a PPG basis.

[andyg]

Furness originally in Yorkshire so more in common with neighbours to the East. Been part of Strathclyde as well so a part of Scotland at one time.
Local government reorganisation will see Cumbria’s seven existing councils abolished by 2023 and replaced by two new unitary councils. Probably a political power grab by the crooked Tories.

Not sure about Yorkshire bit but the Furness area was certainly part of the Kingdom of Northumbria before 1066. There was a a relationship between Fountains Abbey in Yorkshire & Furness Abbey as they were both Cistercian monasteries. Its all complicated as History often is but there's no direct Yorkshire connection thank goodness.

[bluessupporter]

It's not only Westmorland that makes a return, but Cumberland as well!

[Hadrian]

Yorkshire doesn't exist other than as a historic county and a geographic & marketing entity.

Westmorland (no 'e' nowadays) isn't being recreated, the name is used as part of the name of a new unitary authority which includes historic Lancashire North of the Sands - Cartmel as well as Furness - part of historic Cumberland (to within 8 miles of Carlisle and including Alston in the South Tyne Valley) and the Sedbergh/Dent area of the former West Riding.

The Cumberland authority covers historic Cumberland but not all of it!

'Truth' is being re-created...

[Hadrian]

Furness originally in Yorkshire so more in common with neighbours to the East. Been part of Strathclyde as well so a part of Scotland at one time.
Local government reorganisation will see Cumbria’s seven existing councils abolished by 2023 and replaced by two new unitary councils. Probably a political power grab by the crooked Tories.

Given that neither of the new councils is to be Conservative-controlled, probably not.

[Moribund]

Furness originally in Yorkshire so more in common with neighbours to the East. Been part of Strathclyde as well so a part of Scotland at one time.
Local government reorganisation will see Cumbria’s seven existing councils abolished by 2023 and replaced by two new unitary councils. Probably a political power grab by the crooked Tories.

Given that neither of the new councils is to be Conservative-controlled, probably not.

It was - they just made a hash of it. Like so many of their other schemes/scams.

[Barra Marra]

Barrow, and further north in Millom and and even further north in Bootle, play football under the Lancashire FA, just to make things even less clear cut. Neither were in Lancashire but Cumberland. In footballing terms at least, we can all claim to be Lancastrian in our footballing identity.
As for the rest of our lives, for those that are really bothered how about identifying as lancambrian? Its a better option than the alternative of cumcastrian

[andyg]

Barrow, and further north in Millom and and even further north in Bootle, play football under the Lancashire FA, just to make things even less clear cut. Neither were in Lancashire but Cumberland. In footballing terms at least, we can all claim to be Lancastrian in our footballing identity.
As for the rest of our lives, for those that are really bothered how about identifying as lancambrian? Its a better option than the alternative of cumcastrian

Steady

[Jeeby]

Being under the Lancashire FA is probably one of the main reasons local football is so under funded, the majority of the funds probably go further south. I believe the nearest 3g/4g pitch that can accommodate a proper open age football match according to FA rules is 30 miles away in Milnthorpe, all our local 3g pitches are too small, how about that for forward planning, which in our new warming climate and waterlogged grass pitches is unbelievable.

[AyrToBarra]

I'll just pop into this as a non local but frequent visitor and say Barrow, Ulverston, Kirkby, Broughton, Dalton etc all feel solid Lancashire to me and are completely different to the Cumbrian mentalists that reside in Carlisle and Penrith.

I do actually love going out in Carlisle when Ayr play QOS, and the odd Carlisle United game if we have a blank Saturday and Barrow are away but its a completely different vibe and accent.

[Wintergreen]

I’ve worked with guys from Carlisle and didn’t think their accents were that much different to mine. However, down Wigton way they could still be talking about Car-liles pimp - yan win ovver Barra.

[Hadrian]

Given that neither of the new councils is to be Conservative-controlled, probably not.

It was - they just made a hash of it. Like so many of their other schemes/scams.

OK, I'll bite again - explain how dividing the existing Cumbria Council area could have been divided into one or two unitary councils to give one or more Conservative-controlled councils.

[Main Stand SeasonTct]

Being under the Lancashire FA is probably one of the main reasons local football is so under funded, the majority of the funds probably go further south. I believe the nearest 3g/4g pitch that can accommodate a proper open age football match according to FA rules is 30 miles away in Milnthorpe, all our local 3g pitches are too small, how about that for forward planning, which in our new warming climate and waterlogged grass pitches is unbelievable.

Aye I’m at a loss to think of anything tangible Tony Callister did for Barrow or surrounding areas during his tenure representing the area working for the Lancashire FA

[Barra Marra]

I’ve worked with guys from Carlisle and didn’t think their accents were that much different to mine. However, down Wigton way they could still be talking about Car-liles pimp - yan win ovver Barra.

One of the biggest factors when I say more in common with Lancashire. The accent and mental language makes my ears bleed up there.

[bluessupporter]

I’ve worked with guys from Carlisle and didn’t think their accents were that much different to mine. However, down Wigton way they could still be talking about Car-liles pimp - yan win ovver Barra.

I think they have a very different accent, and end all their sentences with 'eh'