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Re: Not good enough

Post by Barrow afc 2018 » Sun Jan 05, 2025 1:40 pm

It’s not all about quality, we were nowhere near them yesterday.
It felt like we were playing in slow motion they seemed so much fitter and stronger. To me that’s down to desire it was like race horses versus donkeys.

The whole club has slowly had its confidence drained, fair enough we have had plenty of bad luck with a lot of issues but for me to not be getting a tune out of our squad is down to SC.

No matter which way you look at football it always comes down to results hence the board must really believe SC can turn things around.

Which is a real worry as they took very swift action with messers Dunn, Jolley, Cooper and Brown. For me he needs to go or the board should share his secret improvement plans. Only time will tell but it’s one hell of a risk.

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Re: Not good enough

Post by russell_anderson » Sun Jan 05, 2025 1:59 pm

HenneysKnee wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 12:36 pm FWIW and yes I know football isn’t played on paper I still think we have enough quality (especially this year when the division in a poorer standard than it has been) on paper that we shouldn’t be struggling as much as we are. Farman, Jackson, Canavan, Vassell, Gotts, Spence, Campbell and Mahoney are all decent enough players at this level in theory that we shouldn’t be struggling as much as we are
As you obviously know, all the players you've mentioned are defenders or midfield players bar Mahoney (and he is the one on your list I would disagree with as I think he's been almost useless even though you can tell he has some skill) but it means little if you hardly ever look like creating chances let alone scoring goals.

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Re: Not good enough

Post by Jonty » Sun Jan 05, 2025 2:03 pm

7 of your list started the game yesterday but notably no forwards in your “decent enough” list. Think we all know where the improvements are most needed and thats before we may lose one or two of our key players.
You may get away with two or three having an off day but once you get to four or five in a game who are off it, you’ve had it.
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Re: Not good enough

Post by Barrow afc 2018 » Sun Jan 05, 2025 2:16 pm

You may get away with two or three having an off day but once you get to four or five in a game who are off it, you’ve had it.

This 100%

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Re: Not good enough

Post by manxy » Sun Jan 05, 2025 3:31 pm

I suspect to get to the root of the problem in the dressing room, You would have to empty Clemence and Woods. This may be unthinkable to the board. We really are catch 22,and need strong action right now. Get shut, and put Cavanan and Foley in charge until the end of season. I’m sure they could whip the boys into shape.

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Re: Not good enough

Post by Sonofsam » Sun Jan 05, 2025 3:58 pm

Put jason taylor in charge

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Re: Not good enough

Post by blue nige » Sun Jan 05, 2025 4:04 pm

Sonofsam wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 3:58 pm Put jason taylor in charge
Well he's in charge of set pieces and they're garbage let's leave it at that!

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Re: Not good enough

Post by manxy » Sun Jan 05, 2025 4:22 pm

Yes, set pieces are non events,and corners are hopeless.As are most of Farman’s kicks which to often end up out of play,or to long. They don’t look fit enough to me, and lose possession constantly. So poor.

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Re: Not good enough

Post by Bingo » Sun Jan 05, 2025 4:28 pm

When ever videos are posted up of the players at training a lot of them are in hats gloves scarfs can't be training very hard

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Re: Not good enough

Post by Robwez10 » Sun Jan 05, 2025 4:35 pm

35% of our goals have come from set pieces

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Re: Not good enough

Post by blue nige » Sun Jan 05, 2025 4:44 pm

Robwez10 wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 4:35 pm 35% of our goals have come from set pieces
Which amounts to just under 8 goals out of 24 !, also set pieces are also defensive!, so your point is ?

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Re: Not good enough

Post by manxy » Sun Jan 05, 2025 4:57 pm

8 goals in 24 games ! doubt they take much notice of JT.

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Re: Not good enough

Post by Pedro » Mon Jan 06, 2025 1:11 pm

Sonofsam wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 3:58 pm Put jason taylor in charge
Not sure what Jason adds but I think he is in position to take charge of the team when we loose Managers.

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Re: Not good enough

Post by Hadrian » Mon Jan 06, 2025 5:26 pm

Pedro wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2025 1:11 pm Not sure what Jason adds but I think he is in position to take charge of the team when we loose Managers.
Bingo wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 4:28 pm When ever videos are posted up of the players at training a lot of them are in hats gloves scarfs can't be training very hard
Going to be tough competition for the daftest post of January.

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Re: Not good enough

Post by Jonty » Mon Jan 06, 2025 7:27 pm

Listening to the latest Barrow social podcast and there’s some good discussion on the appointment of Manager / Head Coach. If the appointments are down to Wood he will have a clear remit from the Board to appoint a Coach who can progress the footballing identity in the way they expect it to be played at Barrow- Fast, attacking football that excites the fans and that reflects the hard work and no nonsense attitude of the people. Ultimately, if they determine that is not happening with Clemence they will draw a conclusion it’s not working.

We can’t escape the fact that Ian Evatt and the National League Champions side has set the footballing blueprint for Barrow. Rightly or wrongly, we keep making reference to that side, to the football, the connection between fans and players, pleasing on the eye and the goals from all over the park, non negotiables and demanding “not settling for mediocrity”.

That’s either become a weight of expectation or set the bar, depending on your viewpoint.

For what it’s worth, I think the way forward for the longer term progress of the cub is to have a SD who has a clear vision and footballing direction for the cub that can transition whoever is tasked with coaching the team. Got to add that you've got to have the right players to suit a particular system, (look at the struggle Carlisle are having with Williamson’s sytem) . You've also got to have that bit of luck with keeping players fit and be on the right side of those fine margins that often decide results.
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